# Keeping Contunity of Pattern while increasing

Hello, I am not sure how to Continue in this Pattern with the increases. I am at the section where it says “To Shape Sleeves”

Can you offer me assistance in what to do? If you need more information, please let me know.
Thanks

Hi.
It’s telling you to keep doing the 4-row pattern repeat the same as before except now you do an inc st at the start and end of every pattern row 3. (The previous section had you end on a pattern row 2, thus “next row” is row 3 of the pattern.) To keep your pattern lined up, you’ll need to p the added sts on PR 2 & 4, and knit them on PR 1
Keep doing this until you have 107 sts on your needle. So say the next row is 15:
R15: m1, [PR3], m1
R16: p1, [PR4], p1
R17: k1, [PR1], k1
R18: p1, [PR2], p1
R19: m1, k1, [PR3], k1, m1
R20: p2, [PR4], p2
R21: k2, [PR1], k2
R22: p2, [PR2], p2
R23: m1, k2, [patt R3], k2, m1
R24: p3, [pattern R4], p3
R25: k3, [pattern R1], k3
etc, etc

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You’re very welcome
Btw, this forum is, hands down, the best site I’ve ever come across for getting help. So anytime you get stuck, feel free to post here. In fact, I’ve actually learned quite a bit just from reading some of the questions/answers.

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Hello, when you say for example (PR - Pattern Repeat 3) in R15, would it be this: K3, K1, winding yarn around needle twice…and so on),

R16, would the PR4 be this: P3, SL 1P, dropping extra loop off of needle…and so on)

R25 would the PR1 be this: K3, K1, winding yarn around needle twice…and so on)?

Perhaps, I have over thought this process, I hope I am on the right track.

Yes, to both.

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Thanks so much!

Hello, again. Thanks for your input!

Regarding my initial issue, as the sides start to get bigger with the increases, should I not be incorporating the pattern on the sides, so it’s not just a stocking stitch appearing.

I have listed the pattern sequence below which I believe is what you had said at the beginning of the conversation, starting at R36 for example:

R36: m1, K7, [patt R3], K7, m1
R37: P7, [PR4], P7
R38: k7, [PR1], k7
R39: P7, [PR2], P7
R40: m1, K8, [PR3], K8 m1
R41: P8, [PR4], P8
R42: P8, [PR1], P8
R43: P8, [PR2], P8
R45: m1, K9, [patt R3], K9, m1
R46: K9. [pattern R4], K9
R47: K9, [pattern R1], K9

Hello
I could be wrong with this but it looks to me like the pattern uses up 8 stitches (the bit that is repeated with the dec and/or yarn over) so you wouldn’t need to incorporate additional stitches until you had 8 to work with. If you are increasing 10 each end overall (87 to 107) there will be 1 “new” or additional repeat of that pattern.
Remembering that the row begins and ends with a 3 stitch boarder of k or p so you would not count these when looking for the 8 new stitches.
Are you able to look at a photograph of the finished project to see the increases?

If this doesn’t answer your question or sound right there will be others who will be able to help.

Hi, yes I was thinking the same thing that you mentioned, but I am still not totally sure. If what your saying is correct, that’s where I have my dilemma LOL. How do I incorporate that, row by row.

Plus the picture is not helpful at all in order to determine what to do.

Thanks!

I can’t promise this is totally accurate as I have not worked out exactly which rows your increases are coming on but perhaps you can check?
I think the 8th increase will come on a pattern row 3 (going on previous post) so you would begin as usual with the increase and border edges and then do the additional repeat. You will have only just created the 8th stitch but should then have enough stitches to do the 8 stitch pattern.
Towards the end of that row add another 8 stitch pattern repeat whilst knowing that although you have not yet created the additional stitch, you will at the end of the row. There will be enough stitches to do the repeat due to There being those last 3 stitches in the row to work with.

Does that make sense?
You will make sure that the previous repeats all line up correctly with no jog over. If it will help put in a stitch marker or coloured yarn loop at the beginning of the first repeat and the end of the last repeat so you know not to use any of those stitches when incorporating the new stitches.

Here’s a picture of the sweater, in case that helps.

Also, where it says winding yarn round needle twice, is that a Yarn Over?

Welcome to the forum!
That pattern is such a beautiful use of the slip stitch.
The increases are always going to be on a row 3 as kushami noted. Row 3 is
K3, (Sl 1 P, K7) repeat, Sl 1 P, K3. So the first 8 increases will be in stockinette.

Think of the row as having a Sl 1 P at each end inside the k3:
K3, (Sl 1 P, K7) repeat, Sl 1 P, K3
There will be 10 increases on each side (107-87=20sts total increases). Work the increases inside the k3 at each end. You’ll need 7 increases before you need to work the next increase as a Sl 1 P. On the 8th increase make the inc however you choose and on the next row 1 of the pattern stitch, work the Sl 1 P in that 8th increase. You won’t need to work the Sl 1 P again at least for this part of the pattern. All the other sts will be in stockinette.

Yes the winding the yarn round the needle twice in like a double yarn over. Bring the yarn to the front between the needles then over the right needle to the back and once more to the front between the needles and over the right needle. It may help to place your right index finger on the first yarn over in order to keep it on the needle while you work the second.

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If your row numbers are running on from where rcubed left off I think you might have miscounted and made an error on the number of stitches you have.
Increases would continue every 4th row, rcubed listed to row 25 with the inc at row 23, I’ll go from there, increases would then be on rows 27, 31, 35, 39, 43, 47

Maybe you made a typo? Row 44 is missing from your list also.

In addition, after each increase row, the following row has another stitch each end for example
Row 35 (or you listed 36) m1, k7, (patt r3), k7, m1
Next row results in p8 (patt r4) p8

Do you follow?

I wonder if you can introduce the additional repeat 2 rows earlier so you can get the yarn overs into your pattern before the 8th increase? If not then you would work the same pattern as before for patt row 3 and 4 but at the next patt row 1 use the additional 8 increases to work an extra repeat of the bit between the *

What are you working for the ‘Sl 1P’? Is it a slip one purl wise?

Thank you all for you valuable input. I have to ponder the recommendations and let it sink it. Yes, missing 44 was a typo. I may be back for more questions later on. I have to go back a quite a few rows in the sweater. Again thanks so much! I am so glad I have this Knitting Help Forum.

Do you know about life lines?

If you have to go back several rows putting jn a life line first can help save the stitches from ripping out too far, also easier to get the stitches back on the needle.

Or tinking is knitting backwards, undoing one stitch at a time, there are videos how to do this too, much easier than guessing.

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Thanks for this video, very helpful!

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Hello, just to clarify this information you provided:

You’ll need 7 increases before you need to work the next increase as a Sl 1 P.

I am not sure what you mean when you say next increase as a Slip 1 purl wise?

On the 8th increase make the inc however you choose and on the next row 1 of the pattern stitch, work the Sl 1 P in that 8th increase.

When you say next row 1, don’t you mean row 3?

Thanks so much for your assistance. Hopefully I will soon understand what you are trying to say

You can consider the 3sts at each end of the rows as a kind of selvedge. If so then you begin the row with k3 then sl 1P and end with sl 1P, k3 or ignoring the k3 at each end you begin with a sl 1p and work to a sl 1p. (Of course you’re still going to knit the k3 at each end but for the moment, ignore them.)
Ok the increases are before the first sl 1P and after the last sl 1P. You’ll need to work 7 increases in stockinette stitch before you need to work the 8th increase as a sl 1P.
Since all the increases are on a row 3 the next right side (RS) row is a row 1 so you can increase as a knit stitch on row 3 and then on row 1, make that the sl 1P.

The set up is something like this. I’ve left out the numerous repeats of the pattern stitch.

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