grafting the seeded rib pattern

Has anyone successfully grafted a seeded rib stitch pattern with these two rows?

Row 1: K3 * p1, k3*
Row 2: K1 p1, k3 p1, k1

I’ve tried to follow some videos and amalgamate the Kitchener for seeded and 1x1 ribbing, however, it ended in a mess. I’d appreciate know “how to”, even if the graft only looks okay on the WS.

Welcome to the forum!
It may help to lay both pieces flat and work the graft like this:


You’ll be mimicking the stitch pattern even if you have to flip over so that you can easily see knit Vs.
There’s also these techniques from TechKnitter that might work.
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I’ve tried something similar in the past but it was mentally very challenging! I think that you might have to pull back one of your rows so that the grafting line mimics that row. E.g un knit row 2 and then recreate row 2 as the graft.
You would basically treat each stitch according to the Kitchener stitch principles so if it is a knit stitch, you’d knit off BUT if the next stitch is supposed to be a purl, you’d then knit that on. If it’s another knit, you’d purl that on.
Sorry, it’s really hard to explain!!
I think I drew it out on a big sheet of paper because I kept forgetting what the next manoeuvre was supposed to be as it varies stitch by stitch.
Maybe worth a go on a small swatch as unpicking the graft is another challenge ( don’t ask how I know​:rofl::rofl:)

Thanks! I’ve watched Queenieknits video “How to Graft in Pattern… easily” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtumaOGSOro) and have tried it several times. It’s so difficult to line up the ribs with this pattern. Everything is half a stitch off… and the bumps of each purl or knit don’t seem to line up.

I’m thinking of giving up and re-knitting the sleeve from top down in hopes of maintaining the pattern and making them the correct length. (They were 3 inches too long… live and learn “FOLLOW THE PATTERN”)

Yikes, that sounds like a job! Could you funk up the pattern, e.g add a couple of rows of a different pattern, or stocking stitch in a contrast colour? That would break the pattern and look deliberate?!!!

Hi
I gather this is a sleeve being added to a top?
Must it be grafted? Can it be seamed instead?
I have discovered and used a lovely seam for rib which lines everything up and no half stitches. There is of course a ‘seam’ - a slight dip and line across the fabric where the 2 edges are joined - so it’s not invisible like grafting is, but the ribs all line up which was more important to me. There are benefits to casting off and seaming, it does add strength and structure to a garment to reduce the chance of stretch by the weight of itself.
I’ve used this seaming 2 x 2 rib sleeves in a fitted top, the shoulders match completely stitch for stitch.
It also is a firm but forgiving seam, more give, bounce and stretch than mattress stitch but firmer and more structure than grafting.

Well, I don’t know the name and I’ll never find the video which took me ages to discover and then I lost immediately. It is a crochet slip stitch seam resulting in a little bulk, like mattress stitch, on the inside. If you’re happy with a neat but slightly raised seam on the inside I can explain it further?
But I’ll understand if this is not for you, its not grafting.

Possibly just me but I love an extra long sleeve, keeps the hands cosy. If you look at fashion model images (not knitting pattern images) sleeves are frequently over long for a luxurious look of opulence - it implies you never have to “roll your sleeves up” to clean or wash dishes.

I’ ve watched her video and think that her graft line looks jogged too!
I can’t across this other video with a different technique. I haven’t watched it all the way through but it might allow you to jog the stitch? It uses a provisional sewn end and then a sewing technique. It might be promising!

I think this video is also similar to the techniques recommended by @salmonmac earlier in the thread. It’s worth looking at the techknitter advice on how to avoid the jog.

Not a great photo I mmow, but thought it may he’ll in making a decision. No jog but there is a seam like mattress stitch.
The stretch across the row (width of shoulder seam) works very similarly to the rib it is seaming (where as mattress stitch and some of the no jog grafting techniques are tight). My 2 x2 rib measures 5 cm across the shoulder seam, it stretches to be put on and off and to fit as a fitted capped set in sleeve to 9 cm and bounces back in the same way as the rib.
For comparison by rib stitch not on a seam would fully stretch (to an ugly extent) from 5 cm to 12 cm. There is no downward pull or stretch justnas with mattress stitch.

There’s going to be a jog but TechKnitter gives two ways to get around that jog. Did you try one of the methods on a swatch?

Trying these methods is my next experiment…

I’ll give it a try on a couple of swatches too.

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Thanks! I tried working this last night but the jog was too pronounced. So I tinked and will try again.

Who knew grafting seeded ribbing could be such a problem?!

I had a hard time with grafting it looked messy. I ended up doing a mattress stitch and looked a lot better even though the pattern called for grafting the underarms. I prefer mattress stitch.

Thank you for the details of seaming and I can use these ideas when I put the sweater together.

Unfortunately, this is not a seam, it’s mid-sleeve after doing surgery to remove 3 inches of length. My husband insisted his arms were three inches longer than average!

I believe a seam in the middle of the sleeve will look odd and be especially difficult to create an exact row match to the other sleeve.

In theory I should be able to figure out how to graft it together, however, the complexity of the way the threads weave together is throwing me right off. Even using a different colour yarn to track the path is a visual nightmare.

It might be easier to reknit the sleeves starting from the raglan down to the wrist - then, I’d need to figure out how to decrease on each side (instead of increasing as I did originally). Oh what fun! (she says with sarcasm and wistfulness…)

LOL… he would love the no dishes excuse!

I think it might limit the usefulness of the sweater for work, and I can’t imagine putting in this much time, effort and money into something he’d only wear on weekends…

I think I may insist that he wear it for the rest of his life…!!

Oooo! Interesting idea! I have already introduced a lighter shade stripe in the cuff. Perhaps two lighter grey stripes with a darker one in the middle might appear as if it were intended - in st st.

But I’d still have to graft the new ST ST section to the other half of the sleeve with the seeded rib pattern… is that as tricky?

I think that should be easier but I haven’t tried it!! The colour change could obscure any junction. Good luck!

Sorry, didn’t realise it was mid sleeve, or that it was for your husband. Despite not wanting to be sexist I do agree that men’s sweaters don’t really fit the long sleeve fashion.

Have you already cut the sleeves?
Have you tried a swatch of your stitch pattern where you work it in one colour then switch to a second colour for a single row, then return to first/main colour for the following rows and work up the swatch to a decent nunber of rows and cast off? This could help in showing the path of the yarn for that single row and you could then copy it for the sleeve surgery.

Just a thought.

If you are going to reknit both sleeves why not knit in the original direction? If you knit sleeves top down your stitch pattern will, be upside down if the body was bottom up.

If you need to work out increases or decreases along an arm length cuff to under arm or vice versa there is a calculator to do that - sorry if I am saying things you already know.