[QUOTE]meow, I have a genuine question for you: Do you think people should be able to get on a flight with a box cutter? Without luggage? Seriously-- where’s the line? Are you the one who is going to draw it?
[/QUOTE]See,Sandy, this is where you allow your personal paranoia to cloud your judgment.As someone already mentioned for you, the whittling is an invalid argument as the TSA does specify you are not to bring knives aboard.I guess since you weren’t able to come to this not so brilliant conclusion on your own,I’ll try to break it down a little for you:
Knitters will be knitting on board.Box cutters will not be cutting boxes on board.That is where the suspicion should kick in.What is this person going to do?Unpack boxes from his move mid-flight?Is he going to be laying out carpet on the plane?Then where is the logic in carrying what could be seen as dangerous in carry on, not baggage?Certainly, the person had a use or they wouldn’t go through the trouble right?This is where it should become obvious what he/she is using the box cutter for.The line isn’t that complicated.Just think real hard, Sandy :)I’m sure you’ll get it if you try hard enough
As for rights-- don’t be silly, of course I don’t want them taken away.
Well, then…your argument on the issue should stop right here.A right [I]is[/I] being taken away.When you think of knitting on a plane, naturally you go over to knitting forums and naturally the TSA comes up and naturally you find their site and naturally you get the pdf Jack put up specifying that you may bring needles aboard and naturally you bring them to the airport and are then naturally confused when an institution contradicts the very rules they specified to begin with There is a right being taken away; the right to follow the rules and expect to be appropriately treated when you do so.
But when, as someone else so elquently put it, you are a mile above ground in a tin can with 200 strangers, some things are going to work differently. Anytime you are dealing with other people, the term “rights” changes. I have the right to toss my newspaper on the ground when I’m through with it. But it interferes with other people’s rights, so I can’t do that. Does it harm them? No. Is it just asthetically unpleasing? Yes. Would you be comfortable sitting next to someone on a plane with a knife, even if that person wasn’t doing anything with it? Nope. Are you taking away their rights by agreeing to laws which prohibit that behavior even though it’s completely harmless? Yup. Is that okay? Yup, yup, yup.
Actually, Sandy, this is something called littering.It does infringe my rights to walk around and not trip and fall because someone was too lazy to walk over to the designated trash can.Have you ever lived with roommates?Rules on trash come up pretty quickly as your mess would interfere with my right to expect to have access to the stove, bathroom, couch and so on.I am not taking rights away when I prohibit a knife on a plane because those rules were already agreed upon and the person simply chose to disobey.Now if you were to go up to me on the streets and tell me that I am not allowed to own the small knife I wear as a hair clip, I would kindly insist that you shove certain things in certain places and tell you to educate yourself on the standards that have been set in place and then show you how painfully within those standards my knife is.If a crew of S.W.A.T. then came in and tackled me to the ground, put me in prison and confiscated my knife, you’d bet your back side I would have every group who’s business it is to defend my rights making those people blush.That would be absurdity.Requesting that you follow the rules would not be.
Here’s something I have said before and will say again. I will guarantee that no one who is concerned about their rights being taken away when they sit down in the above mentioned tin can with 200 strangers, about to rise up thousands of feet in the air, knew anyone, or knew anyone who knew anyone who died on 9/11, or lived in lower Manhattan at the time. I will guarantee that no one on this site who argues that everyone should be able to take their knitting needles on an airplane knew anyone, or knew anyone who knew anyone who died on 9/11, or lived in lower Manhattan at the time. An experience like that will change your mind real quick.
Am I supposed to feel left out for not having someone dear to me killed in 9/11?If I were you, I’d be at least a little ashamed of twisting someone’s unfortunate death to my own advantage because of failure to prove my point without emotional manipulation
I am not a paranoid person, I take the nightly “are you at risk?” news stories with a grain of salt, I think anyone who doesn’t vaccinate their child should be arrested, I am not particularly worried about milk past its end date as long as it tastes okay, and I think getting pulled over for going 8 miles over the speed limit is a way for police departments to increase revenue. But there are some people in the world who look at a plane and see a missile with “we’re going to get you” written on it, and I for one, would like to keep their little terrorist games out of my airspace. A vigilant TSA agent is in my corner on that one, and I am happy to do whatever they ask.
Actually, Sandy.Going 8 miles over the speed limit is illegal.This is why they call it a speed limit and not a speed suggestion.I don’t speed.I don’t even go a mile over the speed limit; I tend to go 1 under just in case.It is not my right to speed.It is my right to drive and go the appropriate speed and expect to not be pulled over and given a fine for doing so.I truly hope you learn to respect the right of other people to expect that when they go out on the road, the other drivers obey the law.You would not have to worry about the popo “stealing” your money if you went the speed limit.This is why I drive worry free knowing I will never be fined.
By the way, you’re doing a horrid job at keeping terrorist games out of your airspace with this whole paranoiac passion in favor of those who abuse their powers as TSA officers.The paranoia surrounding flights is a result of the tragic 9/11 incidents, and I for one refuse to give into the fear.When we have people here in the US who think it’s perfectly fine to freak out and not allow anything on board whether or not it is in within regulation simply because we’re a little scared that we can’t defend ourselves [B]the terrorists have already won[/B].
If we have learned anything from history it is that power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.What do we have left to lose when we smile and even THANK those who choose to abuse their meager power as TSA officers?