Yarn over vs yarn forward

Is there a difference between yarn over and yarn forward?

Do they mean yarn forward, like as if to purl? Yarn over is yarn wrapped over the needle. :??

That would be my interpretation…but I don’t know enough about it to know if it’s right.


Moving the yarn forward sometimes ends up creating a yarn-over if the next stitch is a knit. Sometimes yarn forward is just that–sometimes you slip a stitch with the yarn forward, for example.

If a pattern says yarn forward, that’s all I do, and see what comes next.

well I am making a seed stitch pocket flap…

To make the button holes the pattern reads as this…

K1 P1 K1 P1, yfwd. Sl1. K1. psso. Pat to last 6 sts. K2tog. yfwd. Pat to end of row.

I end up with one stitch shy of number needed.

:?? K1 P1 K1 P1, yfwd. Sl1. K1. psso

Your yarn would already be forward after that purl, so in this case I suspect you should do a yarn over so you get another stitch when you do the knit.

this is why I have a bit of confussion, maybe there is a purl yfwd that I am missing out on learning.

I am not to decrease by any means as I am to keep the same amount of sts on the needle when done.

I will frog the last row and try again, the good thing is the flap is small.

Is the pattern British by any chance? If so, the yfwd is basically a yo. That in combination with the sl1,k,psso will keep your stitch count even, while giving you the little eyelet/hole.


I can’t believe it, but I can answer this!

yfwd and yo are basically the same… however! One makes a bigger hole and one makes a smaller hole!

yo would mean that you bring the yarn over the needle to the front than back under the needle to the back before you insert the needle to make the next stitch.

yfwd would mean that you bring the yarn UNDER the needle to the front than over the needle to the back before you insert the needle. Essentially you don’t have to do that over the needle bit before you insert the needle into the next stitch, because you will naturally have to pull the yarn back in order to make the next stitch.

This will make a smaller hole than a yo.

It’s true! I know because I made my mother a huge poncho and did yfwd’s instead of yo’s and I was so disappointed with how it was looking. Then right up by the neckline, countless hours of knitting later, I :doh: and tried it the other way! All of the sudden it looked right. Only I had to frog the right bit, because I wasn’t frogging the wrong bits at that point.

Initially, the poncho was for me, but with my wrong yfwd I changed the size of the project so much it no longer fit me (6 ft tall me) but my mother (5 ft 3 inches tall).

The end.

:cheering: :cheering: :happydance: :happydance: [I got to pretend to be an expert]