Understanding chart

Hi,

Please can anyone explain this chart for me in lemans terms?
I’ve tried knitting every row and then where the pattern says knitting one below but it looks nothing like the knit in the picture?
What am I doing wrong?

Thank you

Are you putting your needle into the opening of the stitch below, pulling up a loop and dropping both the current stitch on the left needle and the stitch below off the needle?

That dropped stitch from the row below will give you the diagonal lines that you see in the pattern.

Are you knitting flat or in the round?

That’s funny - I recently swatched for a different Lana Grossa pattern that uses that same chart and stitch pattern.

https://www.filati-store.com/lana-grossa-model-packages/lana-grossa-package-jacket-elastico-id_20059.html

I did not get a good result with the recommended yarn and needle size. Knitting into the row below hardly created any texture, and my swatch just looked like stocking stitch on the front (you could see a slight difference on the back).

My tension was very off though, so I put it aside and plan to try it again. But I’m not sure whether getting the right tension will solve the problem.

I am tempted to use another stitch patterns that looks similar to the picture (there are a few).

Did you get correct tension and are you using the same or similar yarn to the original?

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That’s interesting, kushami. This stitch pattern is similar to the knit one below used in fisherman’s rib only offset rather than aligned in columns. It would be good to see what you are getting and what the original poster is getting in the swatch or sweater.

ETA I tried the stitch and it looks a bit more like the Lana Grossa Elastico jacket than the original pullover in Cool Wool. Texture but not the diagonal lines I expected. Hmmm.

@OffJumpsJack, as ever, has hit the nail on the head (so helpful when building a deck or answering knitting questions).
The difference is in how you work the 4th and 6th rows in the chart. If you purl those rows flat or knit them in the round, you get the pattern I posted above. If you knit those rows flat or purl them in the round you get the pattern in the Cool Wool sweater that @Suzeknits originally posted.


(not the neatest knitting but when stretched it works)
https://www.lovecrafts.com/en-us/p/16-pullover-in-lana-grossa-cool-wool-downloadable-pdf
Knit flat.

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@salmonmac, I am coming back to this thread after a very very long time. Yes, the Lana Grossa instructions in English yield what you have shown in your swatch above, which I can now say definitively is wrong.

The instructions should be describing this stitch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAAh4SwUHT8

Which seems to get called bee stitch. It’s K1, K1b arranged in a checkerboard on the right side rows, and knit on the wrong side.

There is also a similar effect using a YO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVksv2rtGY

Which seems to be called honeycomb or honeycomb brioche.

I am sure everyone else came to this conclusion a year ago, but I only just picked up this project again to try to sort it out and had missed all your helpful investigations.

I am going to write to Lana Grossa about the mistake in my pattern and the one mentioned by the OP.

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Ah, just realised the chart posted in this thread is correct, I think. It shows that all stitches are knitted, yes? Not how knit stitches are usually indicated on the WS in English charts, but still correct if you follow the key, i.e. blank box equals a knit stitch on RS and WS.

My pattern chart only shows RS rows, and elsewhere in the pattern the knitter is instructed (wrongly) to purl the wrong side rows of the texture stitch.

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Thanks for looking at this again. Is this sweater knit in the round or back and forth?

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Both back and forth. I suppose this is one stitch pattern you wouldn’t really want to knit in the round, because then it would require purling.

I managed to knit and block a small swatch, and, with knitted wrong side rows, I now have something that looks a lot like the pattern photo and the bee stitch tutorials I found.

I will post a photo tomorrow if I can get a decent one after it dries. I am using the same khaki colour as the pattern sample, so not sure how well it will show.

Now my dad can get a new cardigan, if I can get started on it. I do have a feeling that it will be easy to accidentally align instead of offset the k1b pattern, so I might be inserting my first lifelines.

This caused me so much confusion T the time that I lost heart and never rechecked this thread until now, when I happened to dig out a ball of Elastico to knit a swatch to pass some time and suddenly managed to figure it all out.

I do feel annoyed that Lana Grossa got this wrong. I’ve asked for a copy of the German instructions. I don’t know whether the error was made in German first, or whether it happened in the translation.

My knitting German isn’t good enough to read a German pattern on its own, but I can check the English against the German if I have both on hand.

Anyway, I should stop blabbing on and go and cook dinner or check on my swatch.

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LIfelines are very helpful for patterns like this, for fisherman’s rib, brioche and honeycomb brioche. You can work out where you are without the lifelines but they make it sooo much easier.

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Oh, why have I not thought of that? I have been studying German for over 870 days now. I never thought to search for German patterns or to use patterns to learn more of the German language. 🫢😔

Good luck with your project.

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Okay, here is my (very small) swatch. Thanks to my dad for the moody fashion photo!

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Moody appears to mean more shadows and contrast, no? It also shows more detail in the stitches and patterns in the stitches. Excellent photography. The shadows show the depth of the stitches but are not so dark to obscure the stitch in the shadows.

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