Twist Knit Ribbing Wrap and Turn

Hi all
I have watched what seems like thousands of videos on how to Wrap and Turn, but the hat I am working on uses a Twist Knit 1 x 1 ribbing and I still haven’t found any instructions that cover the Twist Knit.
Placing the working yarn is crucial but what if your next stitch is going to be a Twst Knit where yarn needs to be at the back? where should it be when slipping the left stitch?
I am asking because it doesn’t matter which way I do it (which I’ve had to cobble together from all the videos I’ve watched) I always end up with a noticeable hole :frowning:

Welcome to KH!
What is the name of your pattern?
This video shows k2xp2 rib wrap and turn but it may help. I’m wondering if part of the problem is in resolving the wraps. This is where you need to pick up the wraps and conceal them.

Hi there S
thanks for the video, it is however one of the many I’ve watched! It’s too quick and advanced, what she does before turning doesn’t look anything like the instructions in my book and some other videos. Also, she is working a normal knit which means the yarn is in the wrong place when I turn, then if I put it in the right place it effectively ‘unwraps’. too much wrapping creates a lump and still a hole. I can’t win!

Forgot to say: the pattern is Drops Care for Nature beanie hat.


so I am knitting twist knit 1x1 ribbing. I am not working short rows, but changing direction for the turn up on the hat.
It doesn’t say in the instructions about ‘picking up’. Is this something that should be done when changing direction?
Thanks

You won’t need to work w&t for this hat. Yes, there will be a small hole when you turn and you can work w&t but it’s not necessary. If the small hole is noticeable you can always close it up with a bit of yarn later.

It’s also possible that the twist in the knit stitch is emphasizing the hole so you might knit the stitch at the turn without the twist if you decide to use a w&t. One stitch isn’t going to break up the pattern of twisted sts.

Thanks for the pattern link. It’s a great looking hat which really shows off the use of twisted sts.

ETA: One other thought. If the w&t is confusing and you want to use a short row technique for this turn, you might try German Short rows. Here’s a good video:

(Just a note for the future: if you click on the gear symbol in the lower right of the video you can slow down the playback speed. It causes havoc with the audio but makes the video easier to see in detail.)

Hi S
thanks,
Yes I watched this video recently and it does make more sense. I have saved it to have a proper look later in detail.
Just to clarify: isn’t wrap and turn just the first step in German short rows? don’t understand the difference. I thought that German Short Rows are for shaping and that they are started by doing a wrap and turn, separate things?

Short rows in general are usually used for shaping. Wrap & turn is one way of working short rows and German Short rows another. These are distinct methods. In w&t a stitch has yarn wound around it which is later incorporated into the stitch. In German Short rows a stitch is pulled up so that it looks like 2sts. This double stitch is resolved by later knitting it as a single stitch.
There are other techniques for short rows too including Japanese Short rows, shadow wraps and yarn over short rows.
I find German Short rows one of the simpler techniques which works well in most cases and is easy to recognize and resolve.

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Hi - is the German short row like Knitting Below?
If so, and in the case of Knit Below, do you know if there is a particular way of Knitting Below with a Twsited Knit Stitch? I have watched the videos of how to Knit Below but they are all with normal knit stitch. Perhaps I am overthinking it again!! But I must get it right :slight_smile:

The double stitch in German Short rows isn’t the same as knit one below. The double stitch pulls up on a stitch in order to close the hole that results from turning mid-row. You can see it at about 1:15min in the above video.

A twisted knit stitch closes up the stitch and tightens so it’s going to be more difficult to work a knit one below. Is there a reason to work a knit one below in your hat pattern which does feature twisted knits?

Hi S
It’s to add a new colour (and or stripes) I’ve done it once in the hat I’m making (TK 1x1 ribbing) and it worked well, but I can’t remember what I did! I didn’t do it exactly as instructions in videos and my circular knitting book as I thought it might not be correct for TK. I think I slipped the right leg but from the back (?)

There are 2 techniques for adding a second color without a jog in this video. Maybe the second one (see about 6:30min) is similar to the one you used? It uses a knit into the back of the stitch below.

Both work fairly well.

I’m using a TK and not sure if the knit below method as above is the same as with normal Knit.
However, I have a new problem! How do you divide uneven stitches when transferring to DPNs? the Drops Care for Nature hat pattern is divided into 5 sections when reducing/shaping the top of the hat. I can’t imagine transferring to 5 DPNs is very sensible. I have emailed GarnStudio but they have completely misunderstood my question and so haven’t answered it.

You can divide onto 3 dpns with 2 sections on needles 1 and 2, and one section on needle 3. Or you can work onto 4 dpns with 2 sections on needle 1 and 1 section on each of needle 2,3 and 4.
I usually divide the sections so that a decrease is at the end of a needle. Of course, if you have 2 sections on a needle, one decrease is mid needle and the other at the end of needle.