Portuguese knitting! Any converts?

Hello! Happy new year and hope you had a lovely Christmas or Hanukkah!

I’m an English thrower and every now and again I keep trying to do continental knitting or flicking and just get annoyed with myself and it. I’m a really slow knitter which isn’t much of a problem in itself, I knit for my mental wellbeing rather than output! However, I am intrigued by Portuguese knitting because everyone seems to say that you get better tension and it’s great for colour work.

Is anyone here a Portuguese knitter that either converted from English or has alway knit Portuguese style? Is it worth learning?

Thanks in advance lovely people!

Try it! Many love it. I’m not one of them but you might be. I tried Portuguese knitting. My tension was terrible and it made my thumb sore. I was unable to tension the yarn as instructed and went back to holding it in my left hand as I do anyhow. Add to that lost knitting pins. I knit Continental and use Norwegian purls. I have been unable to learn to knit English, my dominant right hand refuses to cooperate for tensioning yarn.

Try it, no harm in an extra swatch, wash cloth or scarf is there?
I wouldn’t like it myself. I already get too much of my hair knitted into my sweaters and that’s with regular vacuuming, if I had yarn around my neck I’d end up with the sweater attached to my head and all my hair purly instead of curly!
Also, I do make very similar movements with my left thumb when I do colour work as I have one colour in my left hand and one in my right, so my left hand works the yarn continental style (which I learned for the purpose of colour work, also there seems to be a big push online to make all knitters change to continental which I disagree with but thought I’d try it out) and I tend to work flat so my left thumb is knitting and purling with that second colour. It’s fine and I get a reasonable result but I definitely i would not want my left thumb doing all the work I would find it too painful.

I’ve noticed you’ve mentioned being unhappy with speed or style a few times so it obviously bothering you.
Where I’m from people who have been taught to knit by a family member very often use a style that is not often see online in tutorials. I’ve seen expert knitters question films and cartoons which portray a character knitting this way as it is apparently impossible and not how anyone knits. But actually rather a lot of people knit this way.
It’s similar to flicking, yarn in right hand, but the right needle sits on top of the hand, a bit like a pencil, rather than under the hand like a dinner knife. There are not many available tutorials on this they are quite hard to come by but a range (all variations on a similar style) of information can be found by looking for Irish cottage knitting, parlour knitting, pencil style knitting, and it’s like a variation of lever knitting or knitting with a knitting belt but no belt is used and the right needle doesn’t have to be anchored under the arm.
I wouldn’t be able to find exactly how it is but this is similar, stephanie pearl mcphee (one of the fastest knitters) who is known for fast lever knitting but in this video is using DPNs so the needle is not anchored. This is very similar to how I knit but my yarn is tensioned differently

In looking for info, and not really finding it, I did find a series of knitting kits and lessons for sale which seem to be promoting themselves as having a ‘new’ technique called The Knitting Pretty method. It’s not new, I’ve just watched an old TV news report on a knitter who has been knitting over 100 years and she uses the same method in the brief clips of her knitting in action, and she was taught by her mum, who was probably taught by her mum, who… anyway… some of the earliest films of knitters how they hold needles this way, it’s old old old.
In this promotion video you can see the style in action in the first couple of minutes. She also tensions in the same way I used to tension which cramps up the little finger, it’s how I was taught when I was a kid. When I started knitting regularly and joined this forum 4 years ago I discovered after a while that I was getting cramping in my little finger from this method so I changed how I tension my yarn, little finger is no longer used at all but otherwise this is very similar.

I’m not suggesting this is the best way to knit, not at all, I believe the best way is whatever you are happy and comfortable with, but having seen that you are primarily and English style knitter, but not very happy with your current style, I thought I’d offer an alternative which is similar, but different, and which is not at all easy to find in tutorials. But it might suit you.
I’m not a speed knitter but I can knit pretty fast this way. There is almost no difference between knits and purls the action is the same so no stuttering in the preparation of moving yarn forward. The forward movement for purl prep is almost identical to performing a knit stitch, then the purl itself is almost identical to performing a knit stitch, and the post-purl movement to bring yarn in back again, is again pretty much identical movement. It makes for a comfortable and rhythmic knit .
What I can’t do is small circumference knitting in the round on circular needles, the angle of the needles is all wrong for me, I’ve come to the conclusion I would be happier with DPNs for small circumference, as Stephanie gets a decent angle on hers in that video, but I have not been motivated to buy DPNs or try it out, mainly because I’m not interested in socks, and I rather like flat knitting sweaters and seaming them.

Well, I hope you find a style you like, if that is Portuguese, or parlour, or any other.

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Wow, thank you so much for all of that! You’re so kind. I’ll definitely check out that other style. I guess I just have a nagging suspicion that maybe something else would work better for me. Only one way to find out!

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I can’t get my left hand to help me at all. It just sits there saying “look, I’ll just hold this stick, ok?” :joy:

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Yeah. That’s pretty much what my right hand does. I find it odd for me because I’m right handed. :rofl: Of course I’m also a AAA class klutz. :crazy_face:

I hope you figure out how you want to knit for your best results and comfort. It can be a challenge.

I wonder if a knitting belt might work.

I used to knit in a similar way just after I first learned.

Doesn’t anchoring a long straight needle under the arm work pretty much the same as a knitting belt? I believe that’s what Roxanne Richardson said she does if knitting with straight needles. Trying it out would cost a lot less than buying a knitting belt and the knitting belt might make for a wonderful gift in future.

Yup, similar idea, maybe not as much of a strain on the arm.

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There’s also the option of using a knitting pin instead of having the yarn around your neck.
Some very pretty designs here

https://atomicknitting.co.uk/portuguese-knitting-pins/

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Everyone I know who does Portuguese knitting uses a pin, rather than running the yarn around the neck, as @Creations mentioned.

There are apparently also necklaces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0i5xDdgEAw&ab_channel=AndreaWongKnits

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I began knitting as an English thrower, which felt painfully slow, especially for ribbing. It seemed to take forever to knit sock cuffs. But as long as it’s not a problem and you’re enjoying the process, there’s no need to change.

However, if speed is a priority—particularly for ribbing, moss stitch, or similar patterns—Continental knitting styles are the way to go. It is because keeping the yarn in the left hand makes it easy to bring the yarn to the front and back. It almost happens automatically as you pull off the worked stitch. There are several variations, such as keeping the left index finger far from the needle with the yarn wrapped around it, or close to the needle with the yarn between the index and middle fingers. The method for purling is also differing depending on the style.

Personally, I use the Continental Combined style with my index finger close to the needle. Here, I’m knitting ribbing in slow motion, gradually picking up speed. Because of how the yarn stays on my index finger the tension is very even.

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I too knit Continental but use Norwegian purls because the yarn stays in the back and for me tension is closer to even. I’m glad I don’t have to be a fast knitter. I think throwers win in the speed category; I’ve yet to learn of a Continental knitter who can beat Hazel Tindall for speed. If you know of one I’d like know about it. In the video you can tell that Hazel uses a belt.
Hazel Tindall - on-line fastest knitter entry

I think speed depends on many things and not so much the style of knitting. Personally I’m not good at doing anything fast.

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For plain stockinette or garter almost any style could be knitted with good speed. The problem comes when one need to constantly switch between knit and purl stitches (ribbing, moss stitch and most other textured stitch patterns). It is in this particular situation that Continental knitting styles shine. I have not seen any video of anyone (Tindall, or anyone else) doing this fast in any other style.

Maybe you didn’t watch the video link above of Stephanie Pearl McPhee? She is slowing down for the video and calling out her stitches as its not noticable whether she’s knitting or purling, only by the words she says, unfortunately not a fantastic video, it goes out of focus.
Or this one where she slows down to show a class a combination of knits, purls, cable, yarn overs, k2togs, p2togs. The knitting industry which used lever knitting (as she says in the video) is one of highly textured patterns, lots of the stitches you named and cables, the efficiency of the style and the speed the knitters were able to go was vital in order to make money or else it would not be cost effective.

Often videos of speed knitters are just too fast to see the work they are doing.

But…, I think we stray from topic here. NayPo wasn’t really expressing a desire to speed knit, only to find a style that they might feel happier with. If their method and speed feel bothersome then there is a reason to explore other styles, tips and tricks, otherwise every knitter can enjoy their own preferred style of working.

This same statement can be said (and frequently is) about keeping the yarn in the RIGHT hand, irish cottage knitting, parlour knitting , flicking and a bunch of other varieties and names where the method is extremely efficient. In the video stephanie uses the same argument for holding the yarn in the right hand that all the movements are the same, and I said a similar thing when I offered up a bit of info on a different style.

Watching Hazel Tindall working fair isle shows just how efficient she is with yarn in both hands, perhaps evidence that either hand can hold the yarn for speedy knitting.

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I do hope the OP finds the best method for them. It can be difficult.

I’ll admit, when I see one knitting method touted as better than others I really don’t like it. If I could knit the way those amazing knitters who do such stunning work knit, I would. Knitting belts and long straights look incredibly efficient. The knitters who had to produce to sell to survive started knitting by the time they were five I think. They were trained knitting machines, in a manner of speaking. Fortunately most, if not all, of us can knit simply because we choose to.

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