Need to Know How to C2R and C2L

My pattern calls for me to C2R (Cross 2 Right) and C2L (Cross to Left).

I’ve read the instructions in my beginner books and the instructions on the KnittingHelp.com Glossary Page.

However, I’m very confused about these stitches. :??

Can someone direct me to any illustrated instructions for these stitches? (I think this would help TREMENDOUSLY)

Or can someone explain the stitches to me in very basic, very beginner terms?

Here is what the Glossary Page gives:

C2L: cross 2 stitches to the left (to work a cable).
slip 2 stitches p-wise onto a cable needle, let cable needle hang in front of work as you knit the next couple of stiches; then knit stitches off of cable needle.

C2R: cross 2 stitches to the right (to work a cable).
slip 2 stitches p-wise onto a cable needle, let cable needle hang in back of work as you knit the next couple of stiches; then knit stitches off of cable needle.

It confuses me that the instructions say “purlwise” and then to knit the stitches…am I being to literal?

And as you knit the stitches…do you pull them up and reposition the needle to catch the next stitch before slipping the left stitches off the needle?

I really don’t know how quite to ask what I’m needing…so please feel free to ask me for clarification. I’ll certainly try.

Thank you.

To do a cable: Insert the cable needle into the first stitch on the left hand needle as if to purl and slip it onto the cable needle. Do the same with the next stitch. Let go of the cable needle either in front or back of your work. Knit the next 2 stitches on the left hand needle. Pick up the cable needle and knit the 2 stitches being held on the cable needle (just like they were on the left hand needle). Then continue knitting the stitches on the left hand needle.

Does this make sense?:slight_smile:

I think these are referred to as “twisted cable”…if I am right, check out the book “How to Knit” by Debbie Bliss…:hug:

Lisa, thanks for the quick response and the explanation.

However, I’m still a bit confused.

You said, “Insert the cable needle into the first stitch on the left hand needle as if to purl and onto the cable needle. Do the same with the next stitch. Let go of the cable needle either in front or back of your work.”

Does this mean MOVE those two stitches from the left needle to the cable needle?

Then…“Knit the next 2 stitches on the left hand needle.”

And Then when you say…“Pick up the cable needle and knit the 2 stitches being held on the cable needle (just like they were on the left hand needle)”…does that mean to REPLACE THEM ON THE LEFT NEEDLE and then make knitting stitches like normal?

And this is what is achieved by CROSS 2?

And as a follow-up question…do you let the cable needle hang to the front or the back depending on if you are doing a C2R (back) and C2L (front)?

I’ll look into it! Thanks, Cheley. :slight_smile:

Lisa, thanks for the quick response and the explanation.
[B]You’re Welcome![/B]

You said, “Insert the cable needle into the first stitch on the left hand needle as if to purl and onto the cable needle. Do the same with the next stitch. Let go of the cable needle either in front or back of your work.”

Does this mean MOVE those two stitches from the left needle to the cable needle? [B]Yes[/B]

Then…“Knit the next 2 stitches on the left hand needle.”

And Then when you say…“Pick up the cable needle and knit the 2 stitches being held on the cable needle (just like they were on the left hand needle)”…does that mean to REPLACE THEM ON THE LEFT NEEDLE and then make knitting stitches like normal? [B]No, you don’t have to move them back onto the left needle, just knit them off the cable needle[/B]

And this is what is achieved by CROSS 2? [B]Yes[/B]

And as a follow-up question…do you let the cable needle hang to the front or the back depending on if you are doing a C2R (back) and C2L (front)? [B]Yes, just let it hang. [/B]

[B]Let me know if you still have questions!:)[/B]

I think I’ve about got it!

One last question, though…about knitting onto the stitches that are on the cable needle. (And I’m asking blindly as I’ve put my stuff away and am back to office work).

I’m confused about which needle those stitches end up on, since I’ll be knitting off the right needle?

Do I use the left needle or just pull the stitches through the ones I’ve moved to the right needle (like a crochet stitch would do)?

I’m confused about which needle those stitches end up on, since I’ll be knitting off the right needle? [B]Now I’m confused lol. After you move the 2 stitches to the cable needle and let it hang, you knit the next 2 stitches on the left hand needle, (it’s like skipping over the 2 on the cable needle) drop the left hand needle and pick up the cable needle and hold it in your left hand as if it was your left hand needle and knit the 2 stitches off of it.They will be on your right hand needle after you knit each stitch. (This is what makes the cross or twist) Pick the left hand needle back up and continue on with the row.[/B]

Do I use the left needle or just pull the stitches through the ones I’ve moved to the right needle (like a crochet stitch would do)? [B]No, you don’t pull the stitches through the other ones. Cables are like skipping over a certain number of stitches, then going back and knitting them to make the stitches cross in front of or behind each other. Nothing like crochet at all.[/B]

[B]Hope this is helping! :)[/B]

Here’s the link to the knitting help video on cables. Maybe this will make it easier to see.

http://www.knittinghelp.com/dynamic/php/video/index.php?file=/adv-tech/cables-rds.mpg

All you’re doing with this is knitting the stitches out of order, so they get twisted over each other.

So, uh. Let’s say you have needle 1, in your left hand, and needle 2, in your right hand, and needle 3 which is the cable needle; and the next four stitches on needle 1, A B C D, are the ones involved in the crossing-over. If you were knitting straight, you’d just knit A and then B and then C and then D, all going from needle 1 to needle 2.

With the cabling, you slip the first two stitches (A and B) to needle 3, the cable needle. Let that needle just hang in front of (or behind) the rest of the stuff you’re working with, and ignore it for now. Knit the next two stitches (C and D) from needle 1 (left hand) to needle 2 (right hand) just like normal. Then, ignoring needle 1 for now, take needle 3 (the cable needle) in your left hand and knit A and B from that needle onto needle 2 (right hand).

This twists the stitches so that you start with - DCBA - on the left needle, and end up with - BADC - on the right needle. It’ll probably look a bit funny when you first do it, and feel really funny, but when you get a few rows down it’ll start looking like it should, and once you get used to doing it, it won’t be as confusing as it is now :slight_smile:

Lisa…believe it or not…it IS helping. I’m a visual person so reading instructions is one of my weak areas…therefore, the fact that you’re being so kind is appreciated more than you know!

That said…two final (I hope) questions…just for total clarification.

“After you move the 2 stitches to the cable needle and let it hang, you knit the next 2 stitches on the left hand needle, (it’s like skipping over the 2 on the cable needle) drop the left hand needle and pick up the cable needle and hold it in your left hand as if it was your left hand needle and knit the 2 stitches off of it.” [B]At this point…I will be holding the cable needle in my left hand and the “dropped left-hand needle” in my right hand in order to knit the 2 stitches off the cable needle…is that correct?[/B]

“They will be on your right hand needle after you knit each stitch. (This is what makes the cross or twist) Pick the left hand needle back up and continue on with the row.” [B]By telling me to “pick the left needle back up and continue the row”…are you saying to switch the needles back to the original hands (left to left and cable to right)? (What I fear is that I don’t understand the concept of "dropping the left needle and knitting the 2 stitches off the cable needle with while only holding one needle.)[/B]

WAIT…I’M SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE NEEDLES???

My pattern didn’t say that. Yikes. Perhaps I’ve taken on more than I can knit!!!

Yes, the cable needle is the 3rd needle. If you watch the video, her cable needle is straight. Some of them are curved or shaped like the letter J. I like to use the one shaped like a J. A cable needle is a separate needle used to hold the stitches. So when the pattern states to slip 2 stitches onto a cable needle, it’s a separate needle. Some people use a double pointed needle (dpn) instead of buying a cable needle.

No wonder it was hard to picture what I was explaining. Thanks to isabeau for her directions! Watch the video and you’ll see Amy using the cable needle. Let me know how it goes!:hug:

Lisa, I just watched the video and feel like a ninny.

Okay…having three needles answers ALL my questions. I thought you were calling the right needle the ‘cable needle’.

Yikes. LOL :roflhard:

Did I mention that I’m a crocheter…more than one needle is uncomprehensible to me ;).

Now…I will be checking the “beginner’s kit” I purchased to see if I have an actual cable needle.

I CAN DO THIS!

I want to thank y’all for the explanation.

Isabeau…thanks for your mention of the THREE needles…I actually blushed when I read that…hoping against hope that y’all would get a good laugh out of this newbie’s faux pas. :happydance:

(Didn’t laugh, just smiled :wink:)

Yes, you can do this!!! Cables are fun once you get used to them. I have tried to crochet many times and can never get the tension even. I fight it more than anything. I can knit for hours though.

Good luck and post a picture of your cables! :cheering:

will do. i’ll try to have a pic posted by the weekend. :slight_smile:

thanks again. (what a fun and giving group this is!)

have a great rest o’ the day.

I want to thank y’all, again, for your patience and help.

I went back to the pattern…ready to try using a cable needle. But after reading the instructions for about the millionth time…I finally realized how to do what it was saying. :woot:

And…believe it or not…it did NOT call for a cable needle.

Although the cross over stitch here at KnittingHelp.com says to use a cable needle…my pattern’s instructions were as follows:

C2R (Cross 2 Right) = knit into front of 2nd st on left-hand needle, then knit first st, slipping both sts off needle at the same time.

C2L (Cross 2 Left) =knit into back of 2nd st on left-hand needle, then knit first st the usual way, slipping both sts off needle at the same time.

The craziest thing is…now that I’ve completed nearly the whole back of the sweater (child’s)…and I’ve typed the instructions above…I still don’t think I got it quite right (I just realized that on the C2L, I knit in the back of both stitches instead of the first only). However…this is what I ended up with. I think it looks pretty good for my first time ever knitting. :thumbsup: (Even if it’s not quite right.)

Here are the stitches up close.

This is what the back of the sweater is shaping up to look like.

Now I’m off to create the sleeve holes.

Wish me luck! Crossed Fingers

Hi there…pm’d you:cheering:

Shelley~It looks great!!:cheering: I think you are doing a great job on it! Only you will know that you did the stitches a little different than what it said to do. As long as you keep doing them the same way, no one will ever know.
Thanks for posting a pic!:slight_smile:

My pattern gives different instructions for the C2R and C2L from the ones described in this thread, but I’m not sure how to execute them. Any advice?

These are the instructions:

C2R: On RS skip first st, and knit into front of second st, leaving both sts on left needle. Knit first st and slip both off needle. On WS skip first st, and purl into the front of the second st, leaving both sts on left needle. Purl first st and slip both off needle.

C2L: On RS, skip first st, and knit into the back of second st, leaving both sts on left needle. Knit first st and slip both off needle. On WS, skip first st and purl into the back of second st, leaving both sts on left needle. Purl first st and slip both off needle.

Could anyone provide a youtube video of this technique, or some clearer directions? I know that I haven’t been doing this correctly.
Thanks!