# Help with Calculations

Hiya -

I’m a decent knitter but have never needed to do sizing before based on pattern repetitions. I can follow the actual stitches in the attached pattern, but trying to make sense of the repetitions and repeats, etc., is keeping me up nights. Can anyone explain this a little clearer?

Thanks,
Kimberly

Hi and welcome!
Can you quote the pattern for a few rows? I can’t open Word docs on my laptop. Perhaps someone else will be able to.

Notes:
Shawl is knit from the top neck down to the bottom edges.
Odd numbered RS rows are worked K2, follow chart row, K1 (center stitch), follow chart row again, K2.
Even numbered WS rows are worked K2, purl to last 2 stitches, K2. *With the exception of row 10 of Chart C.
Blue stitch on chart represents center stitch, which is only worked once each row.
Pattern repeats are outlined in red on chart, and [bracketed] in written instructions.
The shawl can be made bigger/smaller by working more/less repeats of rows 1 - 8 of Chart B.

Directions:
With Size US 9 needles, cast on 7 stitches.
Set up Row: K2, place marker (pm), k1, pm, k1 (center stitch), pm, k1, pm, k2.

Chart A – written directions:

1. (RS) K2, yo, k1, yo,k1 (center stitch), Repeat to, k2.
2. (WS) and all even numbered rows: k2, purl to last 2 stitches, k2.
3. K2, yo, k3, yo,k1, Repeat to, k2.
4. K2, yo , k1, yo, S2KP, yo, k1, yo, k1, Repeat to, k2.
5. K2, yo, k2, yo, S2KP, yo, k2, yo, k1, Repeat to, k2.
6. K2, yo, k3, yo, S2KP, yo, k3, yo, k1, Repeat to, k2.
11.K2, yo, k4, yo, S2KP, yo, k4, yo, k1, Repeat to, k2.
Chart B - work rows 1 – 8 11 times before working rows 9 and 10.

Chart B - written instructions:

1. K2,*yo, k1, yo, S2KP, yo, k1, [yo, S2KP, yo, k1] yo, S2KP, yo, k1, yo,*k1, Repeat to, k2.
2. (WS) and all even numbered rows: k2, purl to last 2 stitches, k2.
3. K2,yo, k2, yo, S2KP, yo, k1, [yo, S2KP, yo, k1] yo, S2KP, yo, k2, yo, k1, Repeat to, k2.
4. K2,* yo, k3, yo, S2KP, yo, k1,[yo, S2KP, yo, k1] yo, S2KP, yo, k3, yo*, k1, Repeat to, k2
7.K2, yo, k4, yo, S2KP, yo, k1, [yo, S2KP, yo, k1] yo, S2KP, yo, k4, yo, k1, Repeat to, k2 .
Work rows 1 – 8 11 times before moving on to rows 9 and 10.
5. K2,* yo, k1, yo, S2KP, yo, k1,[yo, S2KP, yo, k1] yo, S2KP, yo, k1, yo,* k1, Repeat to, k2.
Chart C- change to US 8 needles, and work rows 1 -10.

Hi and thanks -

I just find this super confusing, so any help will be most appreciated.

Thanks!
Kimberly

Here’s a photo of the end result. I assume I’m starting with the long top edge and working down, but that’s not even totally clear from the instructions!

Kimberly

I looked at your file (LibreOffice opened it for me) but I don’t see where you’re stuck and/or what calculations you need help with. Where are you first confused?

As you start with a cast on of 7 sts I think you’re working from the point up.

There’s not a simple repeat for this pattern or patterns except as noted for the instructions in brackets. Decide whether you like follwing charts or written instructions. Sometimes it’s even useful to look from one to the other to confirm that stitches are aligning correctly.
This pattern looks like you’re starting at the pointed end and increasing. There is the centered decrease, the s2kp which decreases 2 sts but there are extra yarn overs which will keep increasing the stitch number. Whether you use the chart or the written directions, use a sticky note or check off the rows as you do them to keep yourself on track. Stitch markers might help with the repeats but the number of repeated sts changes with the row so you’ll have to see if they are helpful.
Also, really, a few rows of each chart is enough. Would you please edit the post with the instructions so we don’t get into copyright problems? It’s a lovely pattern and should be fun to do once you get started.

OK - just that understanding is helpful. In the notes, it stated “Shawl is knit from the top neck down to the bottom edges,” which to me means it’s knit from the part at the nape of the woman’s neck as she’s holding it up in the photo.

Where I get confused are the bracketed parts. I understand the to repetition part, but how many repetitions of the bracketed pieces do I do/increase and when?

Maybe I need to go back to knitting school!

1. K2,*yo, k1, yo, S2KP, yo, k1, [yo, S2KP, yo, k1] yo, S2KP, yo, k1, yo,*k1, Repeat to, k2.

Well, those instructions do sound like you’re knitting from the widest edge (at the neck) to the point, I agree. The first chart increases 4 sts each odd numbered row and maybe that enough to start the long edge although it sounds like a center point to me. I’d have to try it out to see.
The bracketed directions probably apply if you’ve expanded the original stitch number in chart B by repeating rows 1-8 as stated at the end of the pattern notes. I’d work the Brackets once if you’re not going to enlarge the shawl.

Sometimes things only make sense when you do them. My suggestion is to just start and follow the pattern and see how it works out. I think that as you go along it will make sense. You don’t need to worry about how many repeats…you just keep going until you run out of stitches. The pattern actually states it’s worked from the top so that’s what you’ll be doing. The top edge will get longer with every row you work.

As I’m previewing, I see that salmonmac has already replied. She’s smarter than I am and knows much more about knitting. If anything I wrote is other than what she said, I’d go with her.

GG…please. You know that you and I speak as one.

That’s about the best compliment I’ve had in quite a while. Thank you. I do defer to your greater experience and knowledge.

I recently did a mindless knit shawl…mindless once I realized how the increases worked and that it did indeed get longer (wider?) along that top edge as I went along. I’ve not tried charts yet, I’d just have to trust the pattern and work one row at a time (exactly what I did, fortunately for me it was a much simpler pattern) and see what develops. I shouldn’t have been surprised when it worked out but I was.

Awesome - thanks, GG and salmonmac! I really do appreciate the help; sometimes it just takes someone to shine the light of sanity on things after you’ve stared at them for too long.

I think part of the problem is that I’m from a computer programming background where you have to spell out every line of code specifically, so free thinking probably isn’t one of my strongest skills. Hopefully that will change, though!

I really appreciate both of your help!
Kimberly