Easy question: regarding counting stitches

This is a newbie question but, I’ve read conflicting answers on different sites. When counting stitches do you include the one that is your slip knot?

I’m a very new self-taught knitter… I’d be utterly stuck if I didn’t find this site. It’s very helpful:)

I say yes…but I’d wait to see what someone else says just to be sure. I always count it but that doesn’t mean its right!

yup yup that is your very first stitch.

Dont feel bad…I just recently started counting the row ON my needle! :doh:

I agree, that slip knot counts as a stitch because on the next row you knit/purl it.

Thanks everyone for their help:) Guess I’ll go along and count it.

Perhaps I should make this in a new post, but I’ll ask here first…
How do you know how much yarn you need for the cast on? I assume it depends on your size needles, and the gauge, just wondering if anyone knew if there was a way to calculate the length needed.
Also, do you skip knitting the first stitch on EVERY row, or is it just the first row?

Thank you again:))

Here’s Ingrid’s handy-dandy-never-run-too-short-or-too-long casting on tip:

Use two balls for long-tail cast on. One as the ‘ball’ and one as the ‘tail’. When you’ve cast on all your stitches, cut one off. If you’re only using one ball, use both ends. Ta-da!

You don’t HAVE to slip the first stich. I only do it if I’m not seaming, as in a scarf. If you choose to, slip the first st in every row.

You know what, that’s brilliant Ingrid! Thanks!

my method doesn’t have the stelllar results that Ingrid’s does, BUT I haven’t had too many problems with it lately.
I estimate 1 stitch per inch of yarn. (i know, this won’t work with all yarns, but it’s a good gues s for worsted). So if the pattern calls for 30 CO stitches, I “guesstimate” 30 inches of yarn, by pulling out a strand from my nose to my fingertips. then i pull out a few more inches to be safe. Since that length is, on me, almost exactly 30 inches, I round up everything to a multiple of 30… so for 100 stitches, I would pull enough yarn for 120. Again, it’s not exact, but since I started doing this a few months ago (after I had to caso on 300 stitches and started over 4 times) I haven’t had to redo but a few times, and that’s b/c my tail was only 2 inches long, and I wanted more to weave in.


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I know there’s been some discrepancy about whether this counts as a row, I didn’t think so, others did. I read an article last night in Creative Knitting that said that these are “stitches in waiting” and are not to be counted as a row.

What if you are working in pattern? “I just knit row 5 (its on my needles) and Im about to work row 6” You would HAVE to count it.

I use Hilde’s method for estimating yarn for the cast on. I normally have to do it at least once just so I can have the end long enough to weave in. Once you’ve done a few projects you’ll get better at your guestimations!

I just hope you dont pull it out of your NOSE! :help:

Row 6 is on your needles, waiting to be knit. Row 5 is the stitches below your needle. When you cast on, those are on your needles, but that’s not counted as row one.

LOL Ok Confused!! LOL

If I have a row on my needle then when i finish that row I count that row on my little stitch guide… but my knitting insturcter who does the thumb method of long tail cast on said if you cast on like this then if the pattern tells you to knit 5 more rows you just knit 4 cause you already knitted a row… maybe I’m totally lost and this isn’t what you guys are talking about… :wall:

It IS confusing. When this came up before, there was a definite difference in what we all believed to be true. I looked through all my books to see what they said, but couldn’t find anything. There’s an article in the Creative Knitting magazine about reading patterns and it specifically says not to count the stitches on your needle as a row, that they are waiting.

I have NEVER heard of counting your cast on as a row, ever.

My thought is that you count the rows that you’ve knitted. If I’ve actually knit five rows, and put five rows on the counter, those stitches are below the needle. The stitches on the needle will be row 6 after I’ve knit them.

OK - well, let’s say that Im not using a row counter, and that Ive put my knitting down & when I pick it back up, I need to know which row Im on in the pattern. If I dont count the row that is currently on the needles, Im going to end up knitting that same row again.

:lol: see thats how I’ve done it too… after I knitted it then I counted it as a row those are below the needle… confused me though at class last week when she had us move on to Row 2 on the swatches we were making… Cause even if I did long tail I still started with Row 1 never skipped it… Like on the swatch for stockinette st… She would have us after we casted on to start purling even though the inst. said

Row 1: K
Row 2: P

For the class I guess I’ll skip Row 1 cause she is like no its this way but I feel more comfy starting with Row 1 and not skipping it :??

well the thing is Dustina is that the cast on row is a knit row…that is why she is having you skip it.

though i always thought the patterns took into account that was a knit row and started with the first thing they wanted you to do AFTER you cast on. was she having you do that in patterns or just in swatches?