Confused with k1-b and p1-b

im making the ‘Queen of Diamonds’ fingerless gloves from knitpicks. i started it once but it didnt look right so frogged and am starting again.

Im only on row two and im confused:wall:

here’s what it says:

[FONT=AJensonPro-Regular][SIZE=2][LEFT][B]Round 1: *p2, k1-b; repeat from * end.[/B]
[B]Round 2: *p1-b, p1, k1; repeat from * to end.[/B]
i assumed that k1-b was another way of saying ktbl but then i looked on the glossary here and found that it might not be. the same goes for p1-b.

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It’s knit/purl 1 below. You insert your right needle into the stitch on the row just below the one on your left needle and knit or purl into that stitch instead of the one on your needle. Then you pull both stitches off the left needle.

a K1b (and the P1b) are the basic element of the brioche stitch.

the brioche stitch is a [B]technique [/B]-(like slipping a stitch)

the technique can be used many different ways…
in stocking knit, in ribbing (aka shaker or fisherman’s rib) in seed stitch, in garter stitch and in stripes (multi color)

and in each case, it looks very different!

but in all cases, the basic stitch is the same.

KNIT (or Purl) into the stitch below the one on the needle.

then let the stitch on needle fall off

Question: Doesn’t the stitch above (the one that was on the needle unravel?

Ans: YES–but it can ‘run/ladder’ far–the progress is stopped by the stitch knit into the stitch below!

the brioche stitch is a sort of dropped stitch (an intentionally dropped stitch).

Once you’ve got the technique, be on the look out for other ways to use the stitch… you’ll be rewarded with a collection of lovely stitches available for your use!

Thank you. thats starting to make some sense.

Question though: When you say the stitch below, do you meen the row below or the next stitch along on the needle?

If it is the row below, how do i do this when it is the first row of knitting and im am going straight from the cast on stitches?

Thank you.

:arrow: Check out the abbreviations on your glove pattern at bottom of page.
the K1-b there, says to

[LEFT][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular][SIZE=1][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular][SIZE=1][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular]k1-b knit one st through the [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=1][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular]back loop[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular][/LEFT]
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[LEFT][/FONT][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular]AKA ktbl as you originally thought.[/FONT]
[SIZE=1][FONT=AJensonPro-Regular][SIZE=2]I thought ‘below’ also but they have changed the usual meaning just to be confusing[/SIZE].[/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT]

Ahhh, most patterns abbreviate that as Ktbl, though some use kb. Always helps to see what the designer meant.

D’oh!:teehee:
Read the whole pattern sophie … oops. Thank you.

I just have to make sure im doing the ptbl (or p1-b) right now.

So how did it go tarrentella? I’ve thought about making these too…I found row 2 to be difficult to do so I’ve stopped and thought I’d check on here to see if anyone has done these and if I’m possibly doing it wrong. I understand the whole k1-b and p1-b, its just difficult for me to accomplish. So…hows it goin? :slight_smile:

In this pattern k1b/p1b mean to knit or purl in the back loop of the stitch giving it a twist. It’s not difficult to do, make your st in the back leg rather than the front leg.

Thanks suzeeq! Thats kinda what I figured. My problem was coming from a couple of different issues.

  1. I am knitting with the smallest needles I’ve ever knitted with.

  2. When I join the knitting in the round, I usually hold the cast on tail along with the working yarn for a couple of stitches so I don’t have to weave it in later. This caused extra fiddling which made me think this pattern was too hard for me to do yet.

  3. I cast on last night at 11pm after a very long day.

Put these things together along with a new pattern and you are just asking for a disaster to happen, lol!

I tried again this morning, with some good lighting, and keeping in mind the first couple rows working with dpns are fussy anyway, I muddled thru it and I’m quite excited with the results! I think the most difficult part is behind me.

Thanks again for the input!:woot:

Yippeee!

I tried this pattern for my mom to wear in Germany this coming December. I had a couple problems with it.

Besides having to frog it more times than I needed to, my biggest issue was how Small they were. I’m still not sure if it was something I did, but they seemed like they would only fit a child’s hands. Also, they weren’t very clear on their PMs. They told you when to add a PM, but they didn’t tell you when to drop it or keep it. So I’d end up dropping a PM only to find out later on (much later on) that I still needed it, which is why the pinky finger ended up being the Siamese twin of the ring finger. :roll:

Other than that, I didn’t find it too hard once I got the hang of it. I can’t get over how small they ended up being. Would anyone know of a way to make them bigger? I thought of casting on 80 stitches as opposed to 60, but then I realized that would involve doing math along the way when it came to putting the ssks and k2togs in the right spots.

Lol, if anyone wants to do the math for me, feel free. :slight_smile:

When you place a marker (PM) it’s to mark place between stitches for incs or decs or something. You carry it along every row/round you work and slip from one needle to another.

As for them being too small, maybe the yarn you used was thinner than in the pattern, the needles too small or you knit very tight.