Complicated Increase

I am working onPopknits pattern Afternoon Break, a fichu by Lia W. Liang. http://www.popknits.com/index.php/patterns/page/afternoon_break.
She has the following increase that I just don’t understand: “K1 tbl, k1 in the stitch, then insert left needle behind the vertical strand between the 2 new sts just made, knit this (you increase 2 stitches this way)”.

When you knit these stitches do you complete them at the same time by sliding them to the other needle? I would assume so since it doesn’t say not to. What I really don’t understand is the phrase “behind the vertical strand.” Does ‘behind’ mean approach it from the rear of the needle? And I can’t find a vertical strand.

Does this create the same effect as a simpler method to increase?
I really appreciate your help. I am knitting this to go with my daughter’s wedding gown.

Knit in the back leg, leave the st on the needle and knit into the front leg. Take the st off the L needle and put the needle into the twist in the back of the 2 sts on the left needle and kit that.

You could try kfbf or kbfb instead, or kpk into the one stitch. Try out the different ways to see which you like better and looks like what’s in the pattern picture.

Thank you, suzeeq! I am going to print out your reply and try it. I so appreciate this. :woohoo:

I am still working on the Afternoon Break pattern, and have been stuck between Charts A and B for almost 3 weeks now. I have tried everything repeatedly except standing on my head and just can’t get it. This is a link to the pattern: http://www.popknits.com/index.php/patterns/page/afternoon_break/. I am specifically struggling with this section:

"Outer Trim

Using backwards loop cast on, cast on 36 stitches, and divide them onto two needles like what you do to the division of neckband/neck trim. Alternatively, you can cast on these stitches on two needles.

Join 18 stitches each onto the needles/threads of neck trim preparation row and leave the other 18 stitches on a working needle.

With these working stitches, work row 1 of Chart B (right side) (please see charts below).

Work row 2 of Chart B and join the last stitch with the first stitch of the neck trim at point A (wrong side), and work Row 1 of Chart B (right side)."

I cast on the 36 stitches, alternating between 2 needles. That’s as far as I can get.
I am trying to make this for my daughter to wear with her wedding gown, and if I don’t get past this point soon, I will have to try another pattern. We both love this one!

Well, it’s not an increase exactly. The CO sts are joined with the existing sts at the neckline to make that extra ruffle there. I think you’re knitting them sideways then joining the last stitch of the pattern to the edge stitch of the neck.

I looked closely at the photo and can see that the co’s are to extend the length of the neckline past the first part of the project, right? So I have the saved stitches for the neckband on a lifeline with 18 co’s added to it on the same lifeline. On the needle, I have the starter row for the outer trim plus its 18 co’s. Now if I proceed to knit row 1 of Chart B I am knitting back on the co’s and end up at the former edge of the garment. That’s where I think I should be at the end of Row 2.

I certainly have no intentions of being rude/ungrateful, but what does the ‘thanks’ notes mean on the left side of the thread? I appreciate it a lot when I get help!

There’s a Thanks! button at the bottom of each message. When someone thinks your post has been helpful or maybe if they agree with it, they can send a Thank you. The ‘Thanks’ is how many times you’ve thanked someone, the other one is how many times you’ve been thanked.

As for the pattern, I think you’ve got it figured out. Go ahead and try it, if it doesn’t seem to work you can go back to the lifelines.

WOW! That is a cute little shawette but the pattern seems hard to understand. I’ve been studying it over and trying to understand what is happening. This paragraph by the designer is helpful:

The fichu has a center panel with a ripple wave pattern, started from the bottom edge with a provisional cast-on. As a result of its biased effect, the panel itself has slightly wavy edges. After working the center panel and reaching the top edge, the next step is doing a preparation row for both the neck edge and the upper knitted-on trim. Then you’ll work the knit-on trim, a trellis pattern, around the panel in two stages: [B]First from A to B via the lower edge[/B], then A to B again via the neck edge, picking up stitches from the preparation row now. Picking up the other side of the preparation stitches and work the neck edge and ties, soon you’ll have a fichu.

It looks like from that that you knit the trellis pattern (chart B around the bottom first and then around the neck edge to form the little frill or whatever you’d call it hanging from the bottom of the top neck edge. My first guess was do the top one first, but not according to this. Like you said to make the front hang down like it does. But if you do the bottom first does this make any sense? Maybe they both (lower and upper Chart B repeats) have extra stitches for hanging down/drape?

This confused me:

Using backwards loop cast on, cast on 36 stitches, and divide them onto two needles[B] like what you do to the division of neckband/neck trim[/B]. Alternatively, you can cast on these stitches on two needles.

By this did she mean to alternate one of the 36 stitches onto each needle like you did or just have 18 on two different needles. :??

And this:

Join 18 stitches [B]each[/B] onto the needles/threads of neck trim preparation row and leave the other 18 stitches on a working needle.
Each? I can see join one group of 18 onto the spare needle holding the neck trim preparation row and leaving the other 18 to begin working on but that word each confuses me. But then you are supposed to be doing the bottom trim first not the neck trim. :eyes:

This whole part is a bit confusing:

Combining double joins (DJ thereafter: work a regular knitted-on border as the previous rows, but on the next WS row, work a second join in the same way and into the same stitch—4 border rows joined to one stitch of center panel), and triple joins (TJ thereafter: work a double join, and on the next WS row, work a third join in the same way and into the same stitch—6 border rows joined to one stitch of center panel) around the corner, adjusting to your own liking.

I worked two triple joints to connect with the last two stitches on the side, then I removed the waste yarn to reveal the live stitches at the cast-on edge, and do another triple join to join the first live stitch.

One full repeat of the trim pattern.

For the next trim repeat, do the following: double join, triple join, double join, single join and single join.

Then work another triple join, one double join, and continue working the regular (single) join until 7 live stitches left before reaching the edge of the second corner.

Work as followed: 4 DJ, TJ, DJ, TJ. Work 2 TJ with the other edge of the panel.

It sounds like the numbers of stitches don’t line up one for one so she did all this jockeying around to get them to come out even and in the note at the bottom she says you can do it anyway you can figure out that works. A bit scary.

I’m thinking that somehow you have 18 stitches on each side of the bottom part and again when you do the top part to get the drape, and just wing it following the pattern the best you can.

I’m no help at all I know, but I don’t get it and if you are on a time restraint you might find a pattern that is a bit clearer and easier to follow. It’s really cute, but how she did it. :shrug:

About the Thanks numbers. Just ignore them, that’s what we all do. :slight_smile: It has something to do with how many times you have thanked other people and how many times they have thanked you, but nobody tries to get high “scores” or pays much attention to them. You may have said thank you in a post (which is more personal and I actually like better) but the "thanks don’t get “measured” by the computer unless you hit the little “Thanks” spot under a post. Don’t worry, you’re fine.

Have you thought of trying Ravelry to see if anyone else has made this pattern who might be able to shed some light on what is supposed to be done?

I went to Ravelry to see what I could learn. Supposedly 14 projects have been done of this item but only 10 come up and 2 of those are the ones the designer made and shows in her pattern and one of the 10 was given up on. A couple of the others said the pattern was confusing a bit, some said it was good but looking at the results they don’t all look like they exactly did what Lia Liang did. :slight_smile:

I did find a link on the pattern page to a schematic that is missing from the pattern. Lia posted this on Flickr. LINK

I don’t know if it will help any.

Thank you both for your comments!:muah: Oh my gosh, I am so confused! You are confirming what I was fearing–the pattern is as clear as mud. I did visit Ravelry and found the same. I am grateful for the link to the schematic. I had been searching everywhere for A and B. I am going to give it one more shot tonight and if I can’t figure it out, I will have to find something else. My daughter is getting married Oct. 1, and wants to wear this with her wedding gown if it is chilly. We were both so excited about it, but after almost 3 weeks, I need to move on. I am a meticulous but slow knitter, and life is crazy!

Can you just fasten off the longer piece, or make it longer with the rest of your yarn; or maybe do a ruffle along the neck?

It sounds like you’re fine so far. You have the main body sts divided 148 and 148 by alternately putting them onto two needles or one set onto wast yarn. And you’ve got the cast on 36 divided in the same way, alternately onto two needles. One set of 18 can also go onto waste yarn. Now you’re going to knit chart B and every other row, when you come to the join with the neck edge sts, you’re going to k2tog (this is given in the chart for B).
It’s not a simple pattern and I wonder if it wouldn’t be easier (and less confusing) to knit chart B on 18sts and then sew it to the neck edge sts?

Salmonmac, I see where you understand me perfectly on your 1st paragraph. Now the next step of knitting Row 1 of Chart B should put me back at the beginning of the cast on stitches, but according to the directions, that should happen at the end of Row 2, where I have to k2tog to join. Arrrgghhh, the idea of knitting Chart B separately is intriguing! Thank you both so much for the trouble you’ve taken to give me your input!

Okay–I think this is it! A friend called me and said when I cast on, cast on all 36 at once and then divide them between the needles. This puts the working yarn back at the beginning of the increase which is where it needs to be! :cheering: Thankyou, Peggy!

Oops. I didn’t realize that this thread started in March, and I had, what I think might be the same kind of double increase I did, a vid ready to show. From the description it sounds just like this, but you probably don’t need that anymore.

The pattern sounds difficult, but the end result looks beautiful. Maybe when I’m more confident in my knitting, I’ll try it out for giggles.

Sorry I can’t be much help. I started not long ago. :x

I second the thank you to Peggy. Glad you were able to continue on with this special project. It’ll be beautiful, I’m sure.