"and Turn" - to wrap or not?

How-to Questions
1

new knitter, making a skirt for a toy rabbit. Pattern calls for knit 3 and turn, knit 6 and turn, etc. as a crocheter learning knitting, i have been turning and continuing to knit but it leaves little bumps at the turned place in the row as well as holes.

[this is now a design feature in the skirt since it makes a pattern!]

I have since seen the “wrap and turn” method. Moving on, would therever be a time to turn and not wrap? Does ‘and turn’ always mean wrap and then turn?

thanks!

2

OK…ig I remember this correctly…

Turning is just that. Turning. The first pattern I encountered like that had the very NEXT stich after turning being a slip every time, to move the yarn back to the right needle.

Wrapping and turning involves moving the yarn around so that when you turn the needles, you dont have to slip the yarn BACK to the working needle cause its still there beacuse it was wrapped into the stich…

Please tell me I explained that right, cause thats how I understood it in the pattern I encountered w&t and plain turning in… :oops:

3

Turn is just turn and wrap and turn means just that. Usually wrap and turn is used so that you can pick up the wrap with the other stitch later to prevent holes.

4

Thanks! wanted to make sure ‘with wrap’ was something different. I am pulling the first stitch after the turn a little tighter, the bumps are not so pronounced.

5

If it’s in garter stitch, you may not need to wrap, but it makes it less noticeable if you do slip the first stitch after you turn and go back.

sue

6

I’ve been stuck on this for a while now. I’m doing garter stitch and not wrapping left great big holes I could put my finger through, so turned and wrapped. No holes. My patten just says to turn though. Am I doing it wrong then?

7

that’s my point! How to know when to wrap! I am working garter stitch too. Looks cleaner with the wrap, but at the top of the skirt I am working it has a ribbon running through the holes at one end, although in the photo I don’t see holes or bumps.
Thanks for the input all

8

I was making baby booties and it said to

row 1 ,K32, K2tog, turn, leaving rem 22sts unworked
row 2-25 K9, K2tog, turn leave rem sts unworked

this is how the toe of the boot was made. I never did anything like this before. It was interesting to see it form. I did not wrap because I did not think of it and I have never done it before. I got no holes or bumps but that is probably because I have to K2tog and the end before turning.

9

No it’s not wrong. Do whichever way looks good to you. If that means to wrap, then wrap, even if the pattern doesn’t mention it. I knew about short rows years ago, probably through experimenting, but never heard about w&t until a couple years back.

sue

10

Okay, on my purse, the pattern calls for K8, turn, K2, P48, K2, turn. Place rem st on holder. (They get picked up later to make a flap or trim. I haven’t gotten that far.) It also says I have 52 st on the needle at this point. The “dividing” stitiches and decreases start on the next row.

Anyway. When I turn, I go back and knit those 2 stitches that I just knit the other direction, right? So I’ll keep going over these same stitches back and forth?

Thanks for any help. I don’t want to do a wrap if I’m not supposed to, but I’m a little scared about the turning and going over the exact same stitch I just did if I’m supposed to do something different first.