ACRYLIC YARN: Mystery Meat?

Goodness, this thread is proving to be very educational! I had never heard of “mulesing”…but Googled the word and found out in a hurry.

It seems to prevent “flystrike”. Post-mulesing has some discomfort…but…that surgical removal of areas around the tail protects the animal from getting maggots that eat away at their rear end. Maybe there are alternatives to mulesing.

Well, I don’t know if “mulesing” is cruel or not. However, if it is cruel, then the circumcision of male babies and the ear piercing of babies and toddlers is, too. Certainly both of those practices have discomfort involved. Some subject their male babies to circumcision for religious reasons, some for custom, some for looks. In America, ear piercing is done for no other reason than cosmetic.

Thanks for all the contributions to this Thread! :waving:

[COLOR=blue][B]Hi Susan P![/B][/COLOR] I soooo want to thank you for taking the time and energy to enlarge on this topic! You have added depth to our discussion, and I personally take no offense, and I don’t think you have caused any offense to anyone. Your words are well-chosen to enlighten without recrimination! THANKS AGAIN! :thumbsup:

Hi ArtLady…that was kind of you as in the past here on other threads I feel some have considered my comments offensive. I’m not sure whether it’s been my manner (ex teacher don’t you know :slight_smile: or the topic was emotive! :slight_smile: I DO work to offer a balance and concede issues and to me this is all a learning curve and I’m more than ready to rethink if someone can offer an alternative view or info.

Well, I completely understand it, but I think, even if I just knew that they were getting an anaesthetic, then I would be okay with it.

I have never seen what happens when the animals do get the fly issues, but that doesn’t matter- it may be absolutely terrible, but cutting them like that without pain meds is just as bad.

I just don’t want to purchase something knowing that an animal had to go through that pain- when all they had to do was give them a pain med first.

I see it as the farmer/companies just being cheap and that really bothers me. It just shouldn’t be allowed.

In any case, I am not in the PETA camp of thought- I am aware that sometimes things like this really are done for the animals best interest, but it is the way they are performed that is the bigger issue.

I have been trying to write this for half an hour while chasing after my two year old, so I am sure i forgot something I wanted to say, but i am sure you see my point. lol

**Oh, and I didn’t find any of your posts offensive! :slight_smile:

I know that Susan’s post is not to be taken offensively, but I have to admit feeling a little hurt by some of the comments. I don’t think that using acrylics and other man-made fibers should be seen as a betrayal of the environment. I think any industry these days is dangerous on any mass-production level. Bamboo havesting, cotton farming, wool-making - they all have their downsides. Granted, the oil industry’s downside is an awful lot bigger, and I use cotton shopping bags, I use public transport instead of driving, I eat organic food, I recycle, I don’t buy things from companies with bad human rights or environmental histories, and I try hard to keep an ethical lifestyle. I have an issue with using acrylic yarns being likened to driving an SUV.

When oil is extracted, it’s in a mess of different types of hydrocarbon. It goes through repeat after repeat after repeat of different forms of distillation to end up with the layers all separated out. Each layer has hydrocarbons of different lengths. Some lengths can be used for fuel, some for lubricants, some for wax, and some are sent for processing as petrochemicals which are turned into plastics. These are the bits that can’t be used for fuel.

Acrylic is made from a petrochemical called [FONT=Verdana]acrylontrile, and fibers are produced by spinning it in a solvent, then are stretched and crimped and modified to produce different sizes and qualities of yarn.

So yes, it is a by-product. That type of hydrocarbon makes acrylic. Either that or it’s burned off. So acrylic it is. It may not be a great origin, and supporting the oil industry is rarely environmentally positive but we have an oil industry and can’t ignore it. Everything has a cost, a true cost. Acrylic does, silk does, any yarn that’s bleached in any way does. Large-scale or small-scale, there’s a cost. And we can try to live ethical lives but we still have to live in this world. I’d love to make my own paper, my own yarn, my own glass beads, my own fabrics. I’d love to live totally sustainably. I know there’s a lot more I could do, but to be fair, we all get yarn shipped from somewhere - unless we’re spinning our own yarn from our own sheep we’re supporting the oil industry somehow. The carbon emissions from planes flying your yarn in from all over the world are massive. It’ll be packed in plastic, wrapped in tape (usually another petroleum derivative), transported by an oil-consuming vehicle.

What we can do is try and bring a little beauty into the world, make some of our own stuff to keep our brains active enough to wonder about where things come from and what we can do to help. We create to make the world better, our own or someone else’s. If we can use natural fibres where we can, then fantastic, but feeling guilty for not using them shouldn’t be an issue. We’re helping it not go into the atmosphere, and, since the drilling will be done whether acrylic is made or not, we’re helping [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]acrylontrile not go to waste. It’s hard to draw a line somewhere in how ethically you live. I use plastics, but I recycle. I eat chocolate, just not Nestle. I don’t drive, but I do use a lot of electricity. It’s always a balancing act, for all of us. We live in the real world, and there’s too many of us, and we do terrible things. But we also do good things, and we try and be good people and we try to create and recognise beauty. I think that’s as important as picketing oil companies and buying ethically. Sometimes we have to compromise on how we do it (usually people drive to their oil company pickets). But the message is the same.

Rant rant rant, sorry again - I do go on (my bebo page is a picture my friend made of me looking miffed with ‘rant’ in a ton of different fonts around my head). I just like a good debate, I think :wink:

Fi xxx
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mun2caden…trust me…when they get older and are 25 they start chasing you! :slight_smile: But they don’t suck on your yarn which is a good thing :slight_smile:

As said, one can always buy wool from the non mulesing variety and support the ‘little person’. Did you see the story of all those Japanese people who bought lambs but had been told they were a type of poodle? Oh dear.

willowangel. I’m sorry you feel hurt. Sometimes I’ve felt hurt here also…felt that my opinion as an Aussie (or sentiments about my own context) hasn’t been welcomed by some. Sometimes when I’ve gone back and read a response to me I’ve seen balance there I didn’t see on the first read. Sometimes I haven’t :slight_smile:

I hear you and I am certainly not working to make you, or anyone, feel guilty. I put my hand up and said I sometimes use acrylic. I did say that it’s half a dozen of one and six of another at times…that cotton processing can use harsh chemicals for example. I would want to know how other fibres are treated as equally.

I DO know it’s a trade off and that in our world it’s very difficult to do everything possible as an individual simply because we aren’t the ones with the research and resource knowing and money/powerbase to influence. From all the posts I’ve read on this forum it is obvious that the majority of folks here…the vast majority…do what they can and I think awareness is increasing.

I do totally agree that what we do adds beauty but for me…and do know my background has largely been in research and that will affect and influence how I come at an issue…I want to try and make that beauty meld with the landscape. I don’t always do that…again…acrylic or other elements are included…but, like you, I try to minimise.

I would not go and buy a big gas guzzling vehicle simply because that to me is my right and I want to compete and show off in my neighbourhood. I doubt you’d do that either. :slight_smile:

I think I read somewhere that the poodle/lamb story was a hoax. :smiley:

One of the components of acrylic seems to be vinyl? We’ve already heard how vinyl/PVC can have negative health effects. Is that aspect of vinyl no longer an issue when it is formed into acrylic? I’m pretty much suspicious of anything made from plastics these days…

Debi

Phretys. Here they showed the story from Japan. One family didn’t realise until they took their ‘poodle’ to the vet to have it’s claws clipped LOL The vet had to point out it had cloven hoofs! From what was shown here and the details provided etc I believe the story was correct but as with many of these items…the urban myth can loom large!

What a fascinating thread! And to think I almost skipped over it because it was about acrylic. Heh.

I grew up in sheep & goat country in west Texas, and my MIL is a sheep rancher, and I have never heard of mulesing. I guess she doesn’t run that kind of sheep. She’ll be in town tomorrow, so I’ll have to ask her about it. She’s always so patient with my 1001 questions. I know that they do let the tails drop because it helps keep th sheep from getting diseases. I got a little chuckle out of shearing being called animal cruelty. Trust me, it’s a lot more cruel not to shear in the Texas heat!* They don’t like it, but it doesn’t hurt them. A good shear-er is quick and clean. It’s quite something to watch.

Anyway, thanks for giving me something to read while the needles were clicking through the last rounds of the neck on my Somewhat Cowl – I thought it would never end!

*Whether or not sheep should be kept in the area is a different question altogether, about which I know nothing.

I just have to comment on the circumcision bit- boys get meds before they get circ’ed. Granted, they didn’t always, but I don’t agree with that either…

as for ear piercing- well I wouldn’t do it to a toddler, but my parents did it to me and I don’t care. Oddly enough, those are the only piercing that don’t close over… everything else I have done will close over within a week, so I am actually glad they did it, lol.

Anyway- that was a completely OT post… :slight_smile:

Oh and Markette, I don’t know if you meant me, but i don’t think sheering sheep is cruelty… if anything it has to be the opposite… all that wool must be terribly hot in the summer months!

Yeah, you’re right mum2caden…my Post was really OT.
:pout: Dunno what got into me. My bad. Sorry.

artlady… I thought the parallel you offered quite appropriate and certainly so in terms of springboarding thought. Yes, they didn’t always use anaesthetic for circumcision :oops:.

I don’t think mum2caden was being critical :slight_smile:

I admit I don’t like seeing very young babies pierced (tho I would understand if there were strong religious reasoning).

:psst: I think Mum2caden was talking about her own post being OT. :hug:

Oh no- I think it was spot on… it was just along different lines. Sometimes these things have parallels as such, it doesn’t mean that speaking of them in this context is wrong.

I just meant I was OT, because I took it a little off from what you had been going for when I started talking about ear piercings, lol.

:hug::hug:Hey, it’s all good!:hug::hug:

I’d like to comment on the circumsicion bit - those that are circ’ed by the Jewish orthodox tradition (in Israel - most of the rituals are performed by the orthodox way) don’t have any meds before. The mohel (the person that performs the ritual, NOT a doctor) is giving the baby a little wine, so he gets a bit drunk. Only those that perform that with a doctor at the hospital are getting meds. Me and my hubby agreed that if we ever have a boy, we’ll have it done in a hospital by an M.D. only!

I know it’s OT, but just wanted to correct (not offensively, i hope). I’m totally against these kind of things without meds.

You are right- but honestly, that is a religion thing, and I don’t think you can compare religious rules to that of animal welfare… However, if you compare just the surgery itself, relating to human removal of skin and animal removal of skin… well, yes, babies get meds.

Hope that made sense, lol That is why I didn’t mention that, because I just feel the religious aspect makes it entirely different. (And I am completely against the no med thing too- human or animal…)

i know they get vitamin K to stop the bleeding, but i’m not sure if they get anything for pain. i know they tend to scream real loud. :shrug:

Well, my son is circ’ed and he definitely had pain meds, lol.

Oh, and he didn’t scream at all- he cried when they took his clothes off, and was fine once they were back on- but he was like that until six months old, loved his warm clothes!