Good one 
:rofling:
Thatās sad. Itās just a thread asking for patterns and people have to turn it into an argument.
If you are so opposed to the topic, donāt post. Live and let live- a person canāt help who they are, and getting nasty about it helps no one.
I didnāt see the thread.
Personally, for religious reasons, I would not be able to support āGay Dayā, but I cannot imagine going on a knitting forum (when someone was simply sending everyone well wishes and asking for patterns) and saying anything unkind or negative:??. For religious reasons, I choose not to celebrate the solsticesā¦but I wouldnāt get up in arms if someone wished me a happy one.
Participants of this forum really should act like grown ups and realize that not everyone believes the same, and that it is okay to disagree WITHOUT becoming ugly to each other.
If we choose to act as children who cannot communicate respectfully to each other, then the moderators have a right to treat us as children and censor us.
Misty
I completly agree. Its like we learn as kids: āif you donāt have anything nice to say, donāt say anything at allā. Its so basic but maybe we should practice that more.
I did not see the thread after it got ugly, but I really hope my post was not one that started the ball rollingāI definitely didnāt intend it that way. I expressed happiness for the day and recent legal rulings in my state, but I did also express some frustration about the argument on the other side of the ruling. I imagine I could have phrased things differently.
I saw a few posts after that, and they were sensitive and very respectful in their disagreement. I didnāt respond any further, but at that point all I saw was people in disagreement who were very respectful in agreeing to disagree. Apparently things deterioratedā¦
I do wish that, as mentioned upthread, the thread had been locked with an explanation for a time before being deleted. I would have liked to see for myself what happened instead of the thread just disappearing (especially since I was part of the conversation). I even would have preferred for it to be called deleted or whatever instead of āmovedā to this mysterious location none of us can access.
I do believe that it got ugly, but I didnāt see itā¦so now Iām all worried that it didnāt and mods jumped the gun, or let their own views dictate the thread, etc etc, conspiracy theories. I do NOT believe this is what happened, really! I trust the mods and love this siteā¦Iām just saying I have a wild imagination, especially in that āwhat ifā¦ā area.
I am sad that things happened this way, since there have been many OT and rather controversial topics on these boards that have beenā¦perhaps tense at timesā¦but overall very respectful and useful. (Someone else upthread also mentioned these.) I just hate to think that certain controversial OT threads are āokā and others ānotā based on some criteria not made public to the rest of usā¦
Iām sort of whinging now and getting off-topic myself. I really really do believe the mods did what they thought was best and fair, I like this place and I like having something in common with so many people that I know have very different fundamental views from me. I would hate to feel like I needed to leave KHā¦what a bummer.
Iām babbling now, but I hope things continue smoothly! 
Happy Pride Month, Femmy!! 
Hey now! 
I didnāt see it either. Although itās unfortunate that certain topics on message boards deteriorate as they do, I find it educational to see every view - including hateful ones - on hot button issues. Itās useful to know how far humankind has, and HASNāT come.
I didnāt see the so-called bad posts either, so Iām not going to comment on why the topic was pulled. Although I will take this opportunity to wish Femmy any anyone else a Happy Gay Day too, since I missed my chance earlier.
I think one pulled topic in a blue moon is a [I]fantastic[/I] ratio for a wildly popular public forum such as KH. If any of you have visited other forums with any regularity, you know how rare KH truly is. It just goes to show how civil, smart, and considerate KHers really are!!
HamaLee, your post was the first ādissenting opinionā, but I didnāt find it combative. I think things must have gone downhill afterward.
The mods here are not the type to jump the gun. I donāt think they would have taken it down if they didnāt think it was getting out of hand.
I think everyone needs to realize that this board is supposed to be here for everyone to participate. Weāre not here for confrontation. There was nothing in Feministmamaās post that was āin-your-faceā or offensive, she was celebrating her own life. It is unfortunate that others chose to use her happy occasion to be nasty.
Next time, I hope everyone takes a deep breath before posting and asks themselves whether they will be hurting others unnecessarily before they hit the reply button. 
In total agreement!
My post was actually in agreement and support of Femmy, not dissenting. But I did take the moment to disagree with people on the other side of the fence, and I suppose I could have just left it at my support of Pride. I didnāt mean to instigate others who disagreed with Pride.
But also, Silver, youāre totally right about the frequency of this kind of thing ocurring on KH compared to other sites. (Which, of course, is why I love KH so much).
On the topic of patterns, [these"]these](http://www.spunmag.com/article/050605hotpants) arenāt meant for women, but you could probably alter the pattern into a skirt pretty easily, or make bloomers.
I think itās exciting. Wouldnāt wear it, maybe a little more Mork than gay pride, ā¦ but [SIZE=1](but thatās what I think about most rainbows - donāt blame me, blame my childhood!)[/SIZE] - definitely exciting.
Iāve been thinking about pink triangle lace shorts for some friends of mine. The same alterations would be necessary, and Iām nowhere even near close to actually trying it, and you probably wouldnāt want to wear those in public either, but Iāll update you if it ever happens.
I might just go with socks, for me.
PS happy pride!
Just to be clear, the post was not moved due to anyoneās opinion or preference in the matter. For myself, it was the use of the words āsinā and ābigotā that put me off. Even when ārespectfullyā stated, these things hurt.
I loved Muleneās post and thanked her for it. It was eloquent and kept life in the knitting realm, which, as we all know, is where it belongs. :lol:
Ohā¦ And i thought that my wish for nobody to get hurt at the Jerusalem Pride Parade like 2 years ago was the reason :think:ā¦ I started to get worried:shrug:ā¦ Now that we all see the reason, i think we understand much better what a great group of mods we have here 
I definitely never meant to hurt anybodyās religious feelings, just stated the fact of violent reactions in my city to this kind of activities and wished for no violence. I think itās more important to love others just the way God made them, especially if they mean you no harm 
Thanks! This pattern is Awesom!!!
:roflhard:ROFLAMOā¦thatās exactly what I was thinkingā¦and whatās funnier, about 5 minutes before finding this thread I was going to post something about crochet, but didnāt because I was afraid to offend. LOL!!!
:whistle:
Crochet, offensive?! :roflhard: ETA: Hey Lu, if youāve got crochet on the brain, youāll love our newest forum.
Ok, first I have to say:
Had to be the ācā word. Thatād pull 10 on [COLOR=red]MY[/COLOR] fire-meter.
The ācā wordā¦you mean crochet, right?!?
Now, Femmy, Happy Gay Day/month/year/century!!!
I love this site, and this is the first time Iāve every seen anything deletedā¦which is wonderful in itself. KHers are on the whole, respectful, caring, thoughtful people. I have the hope that the posts that were deemed derogitory, were just not typed correctly, perhaps they sounded ok in the personās mind, and just did not translate well as a post.
Here are a few patterns, Iām not sure what you were looking for as I did not see the post, but hopefully you like these.
http://www.sheeptoshawl.com/charity/archives/09-01-2005_09-30-2005.html
http://www.spunmag.com/article/050605hotpants <āI LOVE these by the way.
http://kimberlychapman.com/crafts/knit-gallery.html#rainbowscarf
http://queerjoe.com/patterns/Willie_Warmer_Pattern.htm
P.S. I missed the S.F. Pride parade this year, but Iāve gone every years ever since I can remember, as has my father (the priest), and our Bishop. Our church has a group of priests that march every year, and I love that at that parade priests march side by side with whoever is there. The parades Iāve been to (many over the years), are the epidomy of love and acceptance of any lifestyleā¦āalternativeā or ānormalā.
Even my online Bible study group gets in MAJOR online āfightsā, even though we are all mostly of same views (itās a paid forum)ā¦and I like a good debate [whatever the one here was, I donāt know] but I love a stimulating debate anyway and I have to refrain from getting into those (on any forum) merely to keep the peaceā¦on the other hand, I am no wallflower, so I figure everyone has a right to my opinion and views ;)ā¦Iām learning to stick to the subject of the forum/group at hand and not get into major OT arguments that divide the body! I did it myself with one of my rescue groups, I started a topic which was not meant to inflame anyone, but as soon as someone was nasty to me, I gave as good as I got!
Anywho! I guess the point isā¦if you want to argue (for example) politics donāt do it here go find a political forum, same for religion, sex, etcā¦letās stick to arguing about knitting needles and yarns here eh?!?
Peace!
I love them!! Thanks so much!
:teehee: i keep telling dh i am going to knit him the willywarmer patternā¦ xmas gifts for everyone! :mrgreen: