Substituting German short rows for w&t

The pattern is Hayward.
When I say I’ve worked on this all day, I’m talking over 12 hours. That’s either determination or crazy.
I make a mess with giant holes when I w&t. I love German short rows but I just can’t figure out how to convert w&t to Gsr in this pattern.
I checked Patty Lyons explanation and don’t understand it.
All of the YouTube videos I have watched show the short rows at the end making an upside down u of the fabric. This pattern makes a smile of the fabric. I’m sending the Gsr directions and a picture of the neckline of how it’s supposed to look.
How do I convert w&t to Gsr in this pattern?

Ask different knitters and you’ll get different answers. I don’t think it matters a whole heck of a lot as long as you’re consistent. I knit as per the instructions then knit the stitch that would be wrapped and make my ds. Others say that’s wrong. I have had no problems with it. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Guild certified master knitters say to do it this way and others say to make the ds on the last knit stitch before the one that would be wrapped. Pick what works for you and be consistent is my suggestion.

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Thank you. I appreciate your suggestion.

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I tried your suggestion and it worked. Thank you again. Now I can move on.

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YAY!!! :+1:

You’re welcome. We can get so bogged down in technicalities of the precisely correct way to do things that knitting loses a lot of the fun factor IMO. If I’m not enjoying this thing, why am I doing it? My view is that if it works, it looks good, the knitter is satisfied with the results, that’s what counts. I’ve even been known to fudge and leave a turn that was done one stitch off if it won’t actually show that there’s a mistake. But then I won’t knit for anyone who looks for mistakes. That’s just me.

I’m happy dancing for you. Coming to grips with subbing short row methods is a big deal. If you bother looking you’ll find all sorts of tutorials that will say you’re doing it wrong. Just remember that there’s no wrong way if it works for you. The knitting police are camped out by my door hoping to get in to shame me (but it won’t work!) so they shouldn’t come looking for you. Why? Because I do most everything ‘wrong’. :flushed: :rofl:

I love :heart: your response. You have a good philosophy and I printed it for future referral.
I was a medical technologist before I was a teacher. In the medical field, I learned to follow directions precisely and get everything right. All I learned from teaching is to eat fast, talk loud, and that I don’t like parents.
I also rarely knit for someone else bc I rarely knit anything that is perfect. When my husband sees and hears me fretting over my knitting, he always says the knitting police aren’t coming.

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If you can’t see it from the back of a galloping horse, it’s good. I learned that one here. :smiley: I finally realized that if I only do things I’m really good at I’m limiting myself a heck of a lot. The world and life are stressful. We need an escape. Mine is playing with yarn.

I never thought of myself as quotable, forget anything I write to be worth saving. I’m humbled but still grinning from ear to ear. Thank you for improving my week. :star_struck: :heart_eyes:

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This is exactly how it should be done.

Thanks. I know it works. It keeps counting simpler. Is it exactly how it should be done? For me, yes. For Roxanne Richardson, no. According to her it’s wrong. That’s why I say pick where you turn and be consistent. I know I’ve seen explanation of why the way I do it is right but I remember this video because it’s so technical and confusing to me. I didn’t share it sooner because it’s overload IMO. All that was needed was a simple solution. For how to do things I almost always look to Rox first but when she gets into the weedy technical stuff she loses me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcY4UO254r8

Ask different knitters, get different answers.

It’s good to see you here!

I watched the video. Yikes! Wordy much? I like your original solution better because it worked for me and it will be easy to remember when I want to change w&t to GermanShort Rows.
I didn’t answer you sooner bc I wasn’t getting Knitting Help emails ……AGAIN! They resumed today, probably bc I sent an email to Knitting Help.

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Thanks for your input. I will be doing it this way from now on. GrumpyGramma explained it perfectly.

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In the final analysis the best way to sub one technique for another is if it works. If it works more easily than another way, double points! I subscribe to KISS - keep it simple, sweetie. :wink:

Rox does some great videos but then there are those like this one. That would have been enough to put me off short rows forever. I often add my own short rows for fitting garments. I do a by guess and by golly eyeball appraisal of the piece I’m knitting and put the short where I want them. I then try to mirror on the other side of the sweater. I probably do it all wrong but it works so it’s right, yeah? :rofl:

I saw your post when I logged in so all’s good.

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Sometimes we are own worse enemies. I have asked my husband many times if he can see where I made a mistake in my knitting - if he can find it, I rip it back - but I also rip it back if he can’t.

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Thank you! I’m blushing. :relaxed: