Hi.
Can somebody tell me, please, if my pattern says:
…, yfwd, (sL1K, K1, psso) twice, K1 …
does this mean I do a yfwd before I (sL1K, K1, psso) twice too, or is it just the once? Hard to sL1K, K1, psso if my yarn is not forward.
Thanks.
The “yfwd” is just telling you that you should have your yarn in front when you slip the next st.
Yes, I would do it that way both times.
Thanks. But why do the brackets not encompass the yfwd instruction as well then? i.e. …(yfwd, sL1K, K1, psso) twice, K1…This is what I find confusing.
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Good question for which I have no answer.
Maybe they really DON’T want you to have the yarn forward before doing the second (). While it is possible to do that with the yarn in back, it is technically easier with the yarn in front because it give you some tension against the slipped st to do the next knit more easily.
Maybe try it both ways on a swatch and see which you like better.
What are you knitting and can you link to the pattern? RK’s answer has me curious indeed.
Baby’s matinee jacket from Paton’s Newborn Collection, p 46, Leah
Hi RK
Thanks for reply. It is a baby’s matinee jacket and the pattern is very lacy, so maybe it is the second way - one yfwd and then repeat slip stitch () with yarn in back for second one. I did it the first way, doing yfwd twice and it looked most odd. Also stitch count was wrong - so I will do as you suggest - a swatch of each way. I’ll let you know the outcome. Thanks again.
Sandi
Ordinarily in a “yfwd, (sL1K, K1, psso)” the yarn forward is a yarn over and it maintains the stitch count by compensating for the decrease due to the psso. That sounds right for a lacy pattern. If you keep the yarn to the back, you’ll decrease a stitch each time you repeat the sequence. Does the pattern give you stitch counts at the ends of some rows?
Perhaps this pattern?
http://www.simplywool.com/patons_newborn_collection/pid-230.html
(First photo in lower panel)
Thanks S. Yeah, I am aware of that, but the way it is written is weird! My original questiond,is: because the yfwd is NOT included in the brackets to do twice, do I do it twice or is it only what is included in the brackets that I do twice? Surely, if they wanted the knitter to (yfwd, sL1K. K1, psso) twice, it would have been written as I have just done. But it isn’t. It is written as yfwd, (sL1K, K1, psso) twice, which, to me, indicates that it is ONLY the stitches within the brackets that have to be repeated ???. I’ll see how the swatches come out. Doing them now. Thanks everyone. Any more suggestions welcome.
SB
No, S, it doesn’t give stitch count until the end of the 19 cm of pattern has been completed when, after one row, stitch count is decreased by 12 stitches. I didn’t get that far.
You’re correct about the way the pattern should have been written if the yarn forward were intended to be repeated before each (sl1k, k1, psso). Unfortunately, patterns sometimes have errors or aren’t written correctly and that’s causing the confusion.
You could also check and see if you can count up the 12 dec within the pattern repeats. If you can identify all the decreases in one row, then the other rows maintain stitch count and that’ll tell you how to do the yarn forwards.
It’s a darling pattern. Yes, let us know how the swatches turn out.
Salmonac, I think you are right. I have had a look at the pattern again. It reads:
[B]Rows 1 to 4[/B] - Knit
[B]Row 5[/B] - (RS), K1, *(K2tog) twice, (yfwd, K1) 3 times, yfwd (sL1K, K1, psso) twice K1; rep from * to end.
[B]Row 6[/B] - Purl
[B]Rows 7 to 12[/B] - as rows 5 and 6, 3 times.
These 12 rows form patt
And then you continue in patt until work measures (for my size) 19 cms. And then in the next row comes a lot of K2togs - and stitch count at the end of that row has decreased by 12 stitches.
So, as you suggest, if knitting sL1K, K1, psso WITHOUT yfwd each time would result in too few stitches at the end of 19 cms, wouldn’t it?!
Sorry to be so … what? …particular?.. pedantic? … annoyed by pattern - that’s it!
SB
Aah - see you have answered last post, before I finished this long one. I have given up swatches. Starting again with garment yfwd-ing before each slip stitch!
Wait! We have yfwd-ed 3 times before the contention, so added 3 stitches, yes? Aaaarrgghh! Back to swatches! Ha! Ha!
You’re not being overly particular or pedantic at all. It is irritating when you come upon ambiguous pattern directions not to mention outright mistakes.
OK, aha, the entire row helps.
- (RS), K1, *(K2tog) twice, (yfwd, K1) 3 times, yfwd (sL1K, K1, psso) [U]twice[/U] K1; rep from * to end.
The k2tog decreases 2sts and the yfwd increases 3sts. The first yfwd (sl1k, k1 psso) has not net increase or decrease. If the stitch count is to remain the same by the end of the row, then you need only the sl1k, k1 psso without the yfwd for the second repeat (i.e., the [U]twice[/U]). That decreases one stitch and your decreases and increases will balance out.
2 dec + 3 inc + i dec
Ladies! The pattern is correct! My humble apologies to Patons and those ladies who tried to help me with my query! I should have primed you with the previous yfwds which added stitches. You were right, RK, the pattern writers did NOT want me to yfwd before the slip stitch the second time. And your swatch idea worked. Pattern looks great done as per book! Thank you. Thank you all!
SB
And the stitch number remains correct! I must have done something wrong when I was knitting the jacket - picked up a stitch or summat! Silly me!
Yay! I’m glad you got it.