Sicko

Those with health insurance and those without tune into the new Michael Moore Documentary Sicko http://www.sickotix.com/
and prepare for some surprises. I work in health care, the insurance issue is critical for all of us in the US.

I’m excited for this one - hopefully it will bring more attention to a very serious problem we are facing as a society.

yeah Micheal Moore :cheering: Can’t wait to see it!

Here in the Netherlands, it’s obligated to have a health insurance, and I’m glad about that. When you get ill, most of the times you aren’t warned. An insurance is always a good thing to have.

Did you get the postcard sent by the CNA? I wonder when they are going national…

I really want to see this film. Michael Moore is a bit of an alarmist, but I think, in this day and age, it’s what’s needed to get peoples attention.

Michael Moore is a bit of an alarmist, but I think, in this day and age, it’s what’s needed to get peoples attention.

I don’t think he is being an alarmist at all on this topic. Our system is sick.

My state has enacted a similar law - mandatory health insurance for all residents. However, the US healthcare system is such a nightmare at the moment that laws like this don’t do enough to help.

Most US citizens/residents without insurance aren’t uninsured by choice - they are uninsured by necessity.

He caused a bit of a controversy in Canada with this movie. I didn’t see it yet, but apparently he goes in a hospital in Ontario and ask patients how long they usually wait. People say things like 20 minutes… it might be the case in this hospital but it has nothing to do with reality here in Montreal! :teehee:

This being said, as imperfect as our system in Canada is, I’m glad that every single citizen is covered, and that the care you will receive in a hospital will be the same whether you are rich or poor. Our hospitals are critically understaffed however and it causes a lot of problems. It’s hard to find a perfect system… :pout:

I’m glad that every single citizen is covered, and that the care you will receive in a hospital will be the same whether you are rich or poor. Our hospitals are critically understaffed however and it causes a lot of problems. It’s hard to find a perfect system…
My husband had a co-worker from Canada for awhile- he too said it wasn’t always perfect and there were occassional horror stories- but in the US there are thousands of horrible horror stories- I have encountered a bit of it in my line of work-seeing people who either delay care or fear bankruptcy- not all poor people or even working people are guaranteed a right to health care here. It may not be perfect in Canada- but what a comfort to know that no matter what you can take your child to the doctor.

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His style is alarmist. He makes an impact by acting hysterical and jumping up and down screaming for people to pay attention. it has nothing to do with the content of his information.

I am definitely not judging his content bc I too, work in the healthcare industry and think this topic should be number 2 on the list of things to pay attention to.

It’s not really “alarmist” if the problem is legitimate. The word implies making a big deal out of something that doesn’t warrant it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alarmist

I was able to see this movie. Seriously, watching it made me angry. Healthcare in the U.S. is one big joke. Profits take huge precedence over humanity.

A few years back when my COBRA ran out, I had to scramble for new health coverage. The cost of the policy I ended up choosing was jacked up 50% when the insurance company decided I was getting too much treatment for my asthma. I had to go two years without [B]any[/B] asthma treatment (that would show up on my insurance) before they dropped my rates back down.

I find it ironic that our own law enforcement is not allowed to profile people because it’s unfair, immoral, unethical, etc. yet profiling is the backbone of health insurance companies. I once looked into becoming an actuary, but that whole career line turned me off because of the great emphasis on using the infomation from statistics and probabilities to make/save money for the company at the expense of people in need, just so some greedy CEO and a bunch of shareholders could line their pockets with another few million dollars. Actuaries do for health insurance what police are not allowed to do for the public. Why is it wrong for one but not the other?

Debi

The entire concept of a for-profit healthcare industry deeply disturbs me.

I haven’t seen this so I was wondering if they make any mention or offer any solution to the people that “fall between the cracks?”

I haven’t seen this so I was wondering if they make any mention or offer any solution to the people that “fall between the cracks?”

It’s worth your time to see. There isn’t an exact solution offered, but there are several models that could be emmulated. First and foremost the US would have to abolish the concept of health care for profit. Get rid of insurance and pharmecutical lobbiests who are lining the pockets of our representatives. We need to embrace the concept of supporting the basic right of health care for all. And people don’t just fall between the cracks today. There are those without insurance, and those with insurance who are dealing with being denied covereage for various and sometimes silly reasons. And even for those with insurance the cost of premiums and co-pays is higher and higher. I know mine is. The movie is right on the mark in illustrating peoples real and everyday problems with health care.

I saw him on the Daily show and he said we don’t have the fire department set up as a for profit system. We just have it, paid for through our taxes. We don’t say “hmmmm the fire department hasn’t made enough money this year, we;ll only put out fires in this nieghborhood.” Healthcare is just as important as putting out fires. Why do we make a distinction then? Becasue US businesses have figured out a way to benefit from using the corpaorate system to get what they want. Why they did with health care I don’t know. But we got it and we got to fix it. It will be soooooo hard becasue we are soooooo intrenched in it. We’re like fish who don’t know we’re in water but our water is toxic and we need to clean it up.

I don’t mean for this to turn into a political thread, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t take michael moores movie to heart. There is quite a bit of his information that is NOT correct.

Now I’m not saying our health insurance is great, personally ours sucks beyond words, BUT just because someone makes a movie about one side of the story doesn’t mean his facts are correct.

This man is not a sane individual, just like rosie o’donnell. You need to look at all sides of a situation before you can judge and most of us don’t have that luxury.

I only say this because I was watching CNN last night and they asked their medical correspondent to check the validity of his movie and some of his numbers he used in the movie were way off.

Don’t bite my head off for writing this please, it’s just my opinion. Too many of us go with whatever is put in front of us on tv, radio, newspapers which are mostly one-sided information. And usually the negative side.

Okay, I’m done. :thumbsup:

The truth is that even though everybody embellishes facts, to suit their cause, the most important thing that happens is that it starts the dialog. Anybody can skew information to benefit whatever cause they want…it is our job to do the research on our own and find out what the real truth is.

Putting on my Mod Hat

This thread has the capability of turning into something heated and ugly. I’m not saying that it will, I’m just taking a preventative step to ask that you continue in a civil and considerate tone.

Thank you! :heart:

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I heard him say that too, and it’s a very interesting analogy. Actually, there used to be a “for profit” system for fire fighters, a long time ago. It was a disaster. While homes were burning, different fire departments would fight over who would get the job…:rollseyes:

I agree, bailsmom, his information is not always very accurate unfortunately. The same technique however is used by other lobby groups. It’s probably his way to be part of that game. Of course, it’s hard for us, “ordinary people”, to get an objective assessment so that we can make our own opinion! Oh well. :shrug: Still, in the end, it’s always better to hear more than one point of view.