Short rows

Hi, Am I making too much of this? Will it make sense as I’m doing it?? Hope someone can help me understand these instructions:

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Short Rows
You will now work short rows across the middle of
the back in order to raise it and allow for a better
fit on the shoulders and neck.
Row 1 (RS): K 75, w&t.
Row 2 (WS): P 41 sts, w&t.
Row 3: Work to 5 sts before last
wrap, w&t.
Rows 4-10: Repeat row 3, knitting on the RS and purling on the WS, 7 times more.
Row 11: After last w&t, k to end of row, picking up wraps with associated sts.
Row 12: P all sts, picking up remaining wraps with associated sts.

[/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][B]W&T[/B] Work until the stitch to be wrapped. If knitting: bring yarn to the front of the
work, slip next st as if to purl, return the yarn to the back; turn work and slip
wrapped st onto right hand needle. Continue across row. If purling: bring yarn
to the back of the work, slip next st as if to purl, return the yarn to the front;
turn work and slip wrapped st onto RH needle. Continue across row.
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Yes, it’ll make more sense as you work. If you have questions while you’re working or when you’re done ask away. :thumbsup:

Those are very good instructions on how to do what they ask you to do so I think you’ll be okay if you just follow it as you go. Just remember that the basic idea of short rows is that you are only working across part of the row and then turning as though you were at the end of the row and working back that direction. When you turn in the middle of a row there will be a hole made. That is why they do the wrapping procedure. It closes the hole.

I just noticed on rows 11 and 12 that it tells you to pick up the wraps. They don’t tell you how to do that though in anything I see here. There is something to know about that too before you try it. There is a video about short rows with wraps on this site. Here is a link to the page. LINK I don’t know if the video covers picking up the wraps.

Thanks to all! Yes, I tend to get easily overwhelmed…lol

Hi, I can’t seem to find the LINK that you have referred me to…thanks!

The link is in Merigold’s post.

Go to the advanced techniques page on the videos.

OK…I viewed the video and I kind of get the short rows…But, I worked the 75 sts on the knit side and then I did the wrap and turn. I have a total of 110 sts. After I turn the work, I am on a purl side. Do I turn again and finish knitting? Or do I just stay on the purl side and continue to purl to the end of the row???

I will post the instructions:
Row 1 (RS): K 75, w&t.

Row 2 (WS): P 41 sts, w&t.-[COLOR=Red]*Is this a totally new row or is this the continuation from the wrap and turn on Row 1?[/COLOR]

Row 3: Work to 5 sts before last
wrap, w&t.

Rows 4-10: Repeat row 3, knitting on the RS and purling on the WS, 7 times more.[COLOR=Red]** [/COLOR][COLOR=Red]Like here[/COLOR]-[COLOR=Red]row 4 would be a purl row, but I don’t think it will be now with all the previous wraps and turns-right??[/COLOR]
Row 11: After last w&t, k to end of row, picking up wraps with associated sts.
Row 12: P all sts, picking up remaining wraps with associated sts.

[B]W&T[/B] Work until the stitch to be wrapped. If knitting: bring yarn to the front of the
work, slip next st as if to purl, return the yarn to the back; turn work and slip
wrapped st onto right hand needle. Continue across row. If purling: bring yarn
to the back of the work, slip next st as if to purl, return the yarn to the front;
turn work and slip wrapped st onto RH needle. Continue across row.

After you k 75, wrap and turn to do row 2 which is 41 sts, then wrap and turn for row 3, where you end 5 sts before the w&t on R 1. Wrap and turn again, purl R 4, ending 5 sts before the w&t on row 2. Wrap and turn knitting R 5, ending 5 sts before the w&t on row 3. And so on.

Your short rows are getting shorter by 5 sts each row until R 11. Knit to the very end of the row, knitting the wrapped sts together with the st they’re wrapped around. Turn and for R 12 purl the very end, purling the wrapped sts tog with the st they’re wrapped around.

Than you for your reply. Actually I did finally figure it out before I got your help! Here is the thing…Because I’m not that experienced, when I’m doing anything other than straight knits and purls and I make a mistake, I can’t fix it since I don’t know how to fix ssk, psso, etc…So, I end up ripping out the whole thing (again and again…). I’ve tried ripping it out until I can get to row that I know, but I haven’t been successful with that with this pattern. So…for about the 5th time, I’m ripping out AGAIN! Why? Because I made some silly error after I completed all the short rows!!! AAAGGGGRRRRRHHHHHH! That is why I average about one sweater a year…LOL No joke! For some reason this particular pattern is giving me trouble. Does it ever seem to anybody else that they spend more time ripping out than actually knitting?? And the saddest thing, I still love to knit!!!

You need learn to ‘unknit’ your stitches. Simply insert the L needle into the st under the one on the R needle and take the yarn off the st that’s [I]on[/I] the R needle. It’s a little easier if you pull the R needle off a couple of sts, then you can get the L needle into the sts. This works if you have to back up just a few sts or even a row, but if it’s more than that you can take the needle out and rip back to the row above the mistake then put your sts on the needle the same way - insert the tip of the L needle into the sts as you pull the yarn out of them one by one.

There’s some videos under Fixing Mistakes on the Tips page and one shows how to put the needle back in. They won’t drop as long as you don’t stretch out the piece of knitting. Don’t worry about whether the sts are twisted or not, just get the back on the needle then when you reknit them you can turn them the right way or knit them through the back loop. It sounds like it takes a lot of time, but it’s faster than starting over from the beginning.

Hi, Yes, thanks for the help. But, I’ve tried all that. I find it confusing when the stitches are anything but simple knits and purls. I can “unknit” them without a problem, but the more complicated stitches I can’t “unknit”. Also, I know not to stretch, etc…But, thanks for your time and input!! :slight_smile:

On a dec stitch, stick the needle through both sts at once. A slip 1, k1, psso is the same as ssk, and you don’t have to take of the ‘psso’ part of it.

HI Suzy…do you think that you could repeat that again?? LOL

Which part…?

When you’re undoing a k2tog or ssk/skp, put the L needle into both sts instead of trying to separate each one or slip the ‘psso’ off the left leaning decrease.

The slip 1, k1, psso is the same thing as a ssk, so you can put the needle through both sts at the same time and not have to ‘unslip’ the slipped st off.

I am not suzee but I will try to explain:

you have to find out what your original stitch was… if you knit 2 tog, then there are 2 original stitches that now “hang” on 1 loop that you undo. So put your needle through both those original stitches in the row below, then pull out the stitch on the row you undo.

same if you worked 2 stitches together in a different way.

Maybe make yourself a sample with a self striping yarn that changes the color quickly? There you can really see how the stitches are placed because they look differnet from one another.

But if you look closely and have a yarn that does not hide your stitches… you can see it, really!

Thank you!!