Raglan armholes and neck

I am doing a baby sweater and just finished the reglan armwholes which the directions for which were:
1 row: cast of 3 at beg
2 row: work to last 2 sts, p2
3 row: k1, sl 1, k1, psso, work to end.
I got that. but the next set of directions is for the neck shaping.
I don’t understand the directions at all.
next row-cast of 2, work to last 2 sts, p2.
continuing to dec 1 st at raglan edge as before (stupid question but before which?) on next and ever alt row, at the same time dec 1 st at neck edge on next 2 rows, then following 1 alt rows. 5 sts remain.
wow…can someone tell me in english what they mean? I would really appreciate it!:muah:

1 row: cast of 3 at beg
2 row: work to last 2 sts, p2
3 row: k1, sl 1, k1, psso, work to end.
next row-cast of 2, work to last 2 sts, p2.
continuing to dec 1 st at raglan edge as before (stupid question but before which?) on next and ever alt row, at the same time dec 1 st at neck edge on next 2 rows, then following 1 alt rows. 5 sts remain.

Row 1 Cast off 3, work to end.
Row 2 work to last 2 sts, p2.
Row 3 k1, sl 1, k1, psso, work to end. (this is the before thing…i assume)
Row 4 Cast off 2, work to last 2 sts, p2.
next row: You are to dec 1 stitch at raglan edge, work to the end and dec 1 (neck edge)
next row: dec 1 (neck edge) work to the end.
next row: dec 1 (raglan edge) work to end.
next row: dec 1 (neck edge) work to end.

You should have 5 stitches now? I dont know how many you had to begin with.

Clear as mud now???

Basicly, you are to bind off for raglan edge AND do the binding off for neck edge.
I wish instructions could be written differently for these occations.

I hope i wrote them correctly…I know what i ment to say…LOL

The part that always confuses people is this line:

at the same time
. What happens here is that you are going to be doing two things at the same time (don’t freak out:) ) , you will be shaping the raglan armhole (see below) and the neckline.

Raglan armholes go all the way up to the neck so you thought you were done with them, but you are not, that is why it says

continuing to dec 1 st at raglan edge as before
. You have been doing the armhole and you continue doing it
on next and ever alt row,
. That means on the armhole side you do the usual decrease you were doing there every other row (and from where it says this it will be starting up on the next row).

Where it says you begin the neck shaping, the next directions are:

next row-cast off 2, work to last 2 sts, p2.
This gets you started with the shaping you do at the neck edge. You continue it with these directions:
dec 1 st at neck edge on next 2 rows, then following 1 alt rows. 5 sts remain.
That last part tells you that after that first row where you cast off 2 at the neck edge, you will now dec 1 st at the neck edge on the next 2 rows. Then you work a row with no decrease on the neck edge, and then do the decrease on the neck edge one more time. At this point you should have 5 stitches left altogether.

I hope this helps enough to get you through this part. If not ask for further help.

ok, so I am suppose to dec armhole by the k1, sl1, k2, psso and the neck part by p2 on the same row? or alt rows?..
I wish they wrote this more simply

What do you mean by p2? In my thinking that is not a decrease, but just means purl 2 stitches. :??

I noticed that in the directions you gave in your first post.

2 row: work to last 2 sts, p2 and
next row-cast of 2, work to last 2 sts, p2.

I didn’t know why they tell you to purl 2 at the end of each of these rows, but I assumed they had a reason.

I assume you were doing the “sl 1, k1, psso” decrease for the raglan seam every other row. Keep doing it just the way you were. Then add in the decreases for the neck edge.

Since the raglan dec fell on an odd row (row 3) I’m figuring that the first neck row begins on an even numbered row. So you would do a row with the raglan decrease, then at the beginning of the next row cast off 2 for the neck edge and work that row (I’m still not clear on the p2, I just think it is purl 2 at the end of the row). The next row you would begin with the raglan dec (since you are at the armhole side) then work across and at the end of that row dec 1 stitch for the neck edge. Turn, decrease at the beginning of this row for the neck and work across. Turn, do your raglan shaping at the beginning of the next row and work across. Turn, dec at the beginning of this row for the neck, work across. Now you have done all the neck shaping called for and should have 5 stitches. If you have 6, turn and do another raglan decrease at the beginning of the next row.

I am going to sound dumb but if I am purling 2 (tog I am assuming) isn’t that decreasing? Unless I did the armhole shaping wrong I only have 14 stitches now…

But does the pattern say ‘p2tog’ or just ‘p2’? If it’s p2, you don’t decrease.

ok, I may have done this wrong because I read on armhole work to last 2 sts, p2 meaning purl them together but now I think they meant just purl them both…so I think I am going to have to rip them out.

oh no…I didn’t purl 2 tog. I am having a brain freeze with these sleeves. I am going to print your directions and see if I can do is slowly.

Yeah, unless the ‘tog’ is there, it just means purl 2 sts separately.

ok, I finished. I used your directions that you wrote out for me…thanks!!!It looks like a sharp curve in on the neck edge and a more gradual one on the arm hole. I did have to do an extra row on both panels (I am doing both the right side and left side at the same time) in order to end up on the correct side in the end. Does it matter at this point if it is not exactly right if I ended up with the 5 sts? I measured them both together and they are about the same size and look almost exact. So whatever I did they both match. There is a hood on this pattern that gets attached later so I am not sure if the edge of the neck is not exact it matters…? I want to make sure before I bind off. Next…The sleeves!

I’m not sure what doesn’t look exactly right about them. You say they measure about the same and match well. One side would have 1 more row than the other, but that is to be expected and won’t matter at all. If they look good they probably are. I don’t do much with hoods and the ones I have made start with the hood, so I don’t know what it should look like for the hood, but if you have the 5 stitches on each side and the pieces look good together you are probably fine.

OK. Wonderful. It was only like 5 rows of decreasing like you said so it can’t be a huge amount of difference. I mean, I alternated dec the neck and armhole and wasn’t sure if I was suppose to do them for 3 rows dec both at the same time, but they are done. I am off to start the sleeves.