Please help with this sweater pattern

Hi!

I am a new knitter, been knitting for seven months or so. I think I am ready to do my first simple sweater project.

I came across this pattern, but I don’t really understand it. I hope you can help me.

Broken Rib Pattern
Row 1 (RS): Knit
Row 2 (WS): (K1, P1) repeat to end
Row 3: Knit
Row 4: (P1, K1) repeat to end

That I understand. When it comes to knit the back of the sweater, the pattern says:

BO 0sts at the beg of next 2 rows

Next row (WS): P1, work as est to last st, P1.
Next row (RS): K1, work as est to last st, K1.

  • Do I need to knit a knit plain row in between as per the original Broken Rib pattern? Should I follow the ‘new’ pattern, my knitting looks like a seed stitch rather than a broken rib.
  • cont as est for 5 rows more ending with a WS rows. So in total, I assume I need to repeat the ‘new’ pattern 7 times?

Then it says:
Shoulder Inc row (RS); K1, M1L, work to last st, M1R, K1. How do I follow the pattern on this increase round?

Thank you for your help.

Welcome! Can you provide a link to the pattern or at least the name? It is easier for us to help you if we could see the pattern. Please do not copy the pattern here otherwise we could have problems with copyright laws. Thanks trish54.

Hi Trisha,

It’s from a book by Hannah Fettig. should I take a photo on the written
pattern (not all of them) I’m inquiring for?

Thank you
Vonny

Welcome to KH!

The name of the pattern is very helpful. Sometimes just a photo of the finished sweater is enough. Maybe this one?


If this is it, it does look more like seed or moss stitch than the true broken rib.

When a pattern has a zero for your size, skip that direction and go directly on to the next.

"Next row (WS): P1, work as est to last st, P1.
Next row (RS): K1, work as est to last st, K1."
You’re going to continue with the broken rib pattern for the these rows. Don’t let the pattern jog but instead maintain the overall pattern as before. The only difference is that you’ll have an edge stitch in stockinette on each side.

Yes, you’ll have 7 rows total with the new edge stitches.

The pattern is going to have an extra stitch at each end until the next increase row. You can work the increase as another stockinette stitch (knit on the front, purl on the back) until the next increase row (assuming there is one). The critical thing is to maintain the stitch pattern.

Hi Salmonmac,

Yes that’s the one! Thank you for going to Ravelry and find it. As this is
my first, I wasn’t sure how to do this properly.

Aha, edge stitches! Okay, I think I am getting there… This is the way I
interpret this, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Stitch Pattern (Broken rib)

Row 1 (RS): Knit

Row 2 (WS): (K1, P1) repeat to end

Row 3: Knit

Row 4: (P1, K1) repeat to end

When I reach knitting the back of the sweater, I will do these to keep
following my stitch pattern?

BO 0sts at the beg of next 2 rows

Next row (WS): P1, work as est to last st, P1.

Next row (RS): K1, work as est to last st, K1.

Instruction: BO zero sts at beg of next 2 rows

My interpretation: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1

K1, (Knit) to last st, K1

Instruction: cont as est for 5 rows more ending with a WS rows.

My interpretation: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1

K1, (Knit) to last st, K1

P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1

K1, (Knit) to last st, K1

P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1

Shoulder Inc row (RS): K1, M1L, work to last st, M1R, K1

My interpretation: : K1, M1L, (knit) to last st, M1R, K1

Thank you once again for your help :slight_smile:

Yes, the entire sweater body looks like it’s knit in the broken rib pattern

Next row (WS): P1, work as est to last st, P1.
Next row (RS): K1, work as est to last st, K1.
Instruction: BO zero sts at beg of next 2 rows
My interpretation: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
K1, (Knit) to last st, K1
As long as you’re maintaining the sequence of the 4 row pattern, that will work.

Instruction: cont as est for 5 rows more ending with a WS rows.
My interpretation: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
K1, (Knit) to last st, K1
P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
K1, (Knit) to last st, K1
P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Again, as long as you keep the overall pattern, that sounds good.

Shoulder Inc row (RS): K1, M1L, work to last st, M1R, K1
My interpretation: : K1, M1L, (knit) to last st, M1R, K1
Same here. Since this is a RS row it’ll be a knit row. so that sounds right.

Hi Salmonmac,

Thank you I think I got it now, I have been practising with some leftover yarn and I am able to maintain the pattern even with the increases.

I have another question about the front part of the sweater. I am trying to break it down row by row just for my reference but I can’t seem to get the same stitch count as the pattern after decreasing.

Original stitch count 114

The pattern says:
Inc row (RS): K1, M1L, work to last st, M1R, K1. 2 sts inc
Rep this inc row every 8 rows 4 times more.
At the same time, when armhole measure 3", shape neck as follows:

On next RS rows BO centre 18sts, work to end as est.

The way I break this down is like this:
inc - 116sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
inc - 118sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
inc - 120sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
inc - 122sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1 (I think this is where my armhole reach 3" and I BO centre 18sts)
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
K1, work as est to last st, K1
P1, work as est to last st, P1
inc - 124sts [124sts - 18 = 106/2 = 53] (with my BO above my new stitch count would be 53sts on the right and left)

Is this correct?

Then the pattern says to do the right shoulder.
Work 1 WS row

Neck Dec row (RS): K1, ssk, work to end. 1 st ec.
Rep this nec dec row every RS row 10 time more. 40sts once neck and armhole shaping are complete.

When I break down this part I can’t get to 40sts as mentioned.

P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 52sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 51sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec 50sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 49sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 48sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 47sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 46sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 45sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 44sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 43Sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 42sts

After 11 decreases on the RS rows, I only get 42 instead of 40.

I might have missed something when the pattern says ‘at the same time’, haven’t I?

Again thank you very much for your patience and help. :slight_smile:

I get 42sts also. Seems like a pattern error. A couple of comments on the Ravelry page too about the number of sts at the shoulder.
You can either leave it at 42 or continue the neckline dec if you want.
Writing the rows out, if that helps clarify it for you, is a good idea. It all looks correct to me. Enjoy working the pattern!

(Sometimes I fiddle around with the arithmetic for the other sizes to see if there’re errors for all the sizes.)

Hi Salmonmac,

I have just received my yarn and finished swatching and wet blocking it. I got the stitch count correct, but my row gauge is off. In the pattern 9 rows = 1", but mine is 7 rows = 1".

So now I am very unsure about the neck decrease rows… Following the pattern:

Inc row (RS): K1, M1L, work to last st, M1R, K1. 2 sts inc
Rep this inc row every 8 rows 4 times more.
At the same time, when armhole measure 3", shape neck as follows:

On next RS rows BO centre 18sts, work to end as est.

Row 1 (RS): K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 116S
Row 2: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 3: Knit
Row 4: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 5: Knit
Row 6: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 7: Knit
Row 8: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 9: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 118S
Row 10: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 11: Knit
Row 12: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 13: Knit
Row 14: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 15: Knit
Row 16: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 17: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 120S
Row 18: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 19: Knit
Row 20: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 21 (3” mark): Knit
K51, BO18, K51
Row 22: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 23: Knit
Row 24: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 25: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 122S
Row 26: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 27: Knit
Row 28: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 29: Knit
Row 30: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 31: Knit
Row 32: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 33: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 124S

Total 33R = 4.7”

Place left shoulder sts on a stitch holder, noting last row worked in broken rib patt.

Then the pattern says to do the right shoulder. Right Shoulder (53S)

Work 1 WS row

Neck Dec row (RS): K1, ssk, work to end. 1 st ec.
Rep this nec dec row every RS row 10 time more. 42sts once neck and armhole shaping are complete. Continue as established until armhole measure 6”, ending with RS row

If I were to follow this decrease, I would end up doing a total of 22 rows (3.1") to reach the correct number. But that means my armhole will be way bigger (4.7"+3.1" = 7.8"). How should I decrease the neck?

P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 52sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 51sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec 50sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 49sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 48sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 47sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 46sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 45sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 44sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 43Sts
P1, work as est to last st, P1
dec - 42sts

Thank you for your help once again.

Vonny

It’s very good that you’re being so careful about the shaping for this pattern. You won’t be working the 33 rows of the armhole and then adding on the neck shaping however. These 2 sections will overlap (the “at the same time” direction). Start with the armhole shaping and then at 3 inches, start working the neck shaping. Some rows later the armhole shaping will finish but the neck shaping continue.
At 9rows/inch, 22rows is about 2.5 inches; at 7 rows/inch 22 rows is about 3 inches so it seems you’ll be fine as is. You’re armhole and neck shaping will just overlap to a greater extent than in the pattern but that should work.

Hmmm I am still very confused. How am I going to increase and decrease at the same time?

Say I stop at row 21 which marks the 3", I start the neck shaping by knitting 51, bind off 18, knitting 51. I still have to increase two times. If I start on the right side and decreasing the neck,

Row 1 (RS): K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 116S
Row 2: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 3: Knit
Row 4: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 5: Knit
Row 6: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 7: Knit
Row 8: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 9: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 118S
Row 10: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 11: Knit
Row 12: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 13: Knit
Row 14: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 15: Knit
Row 16: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 17: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 120S
Row 18: P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 19: Knit
Row 20: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 21 (3” mark): Knit
K51, BO18, K51

21R = 3”

Right shoulder
Pattern says:
work 1 WS row - P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Neck dec row (RS) - K1, ssk, work to end. 1 st dec. rep this deck dec row every RS row for 10 times more.

My interpretation:
Row 22 (WS): P1, (K1, P1) to last st, P1
Row 23 (RS): K1, SSK, K - 50
Row 24: P1, (P1, K1) to last st, P1
Row 25: K1, M1L, K to last st, M1R, K1 - 122S (4th increase), but on this row I also need to decrease as it says decrease every RS row.

I’m stuck on this one. Am I taking your instruction right?

Going crazy,
Vonny

Yes, that’s close. However for row 25 you won’t have both armhole edges on the needles anymore. You’ll just have the right shoulder (that’s the right shoulder as you wear the sweater).
Row 25 (RS) would be: K1, SSK (neck edge), K to last st, M1R, K1 (armhole edge)

The last armhole increase before the 3" mark was row 17. There are armhole increases on rows 25 and 33. Once you reach 3", start decreasing at the neck edge on rows 23,25,27 29 etc.

This as not a proportional diagram but it shows you where the decreases and increases are. I keep track of the row numbers and check off inc and dec as I work them.
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! After writing the message, I gave it a thought again and came up with the same solution. Thank you salmonmac :smile:

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Hi Salmonmac,

The sweater is done :slight_smile: here is the photo

Thank you so much, couldn’t do this without your help!

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Oh my, didn’t that work out well! Worth all your effort and care. It fits beautifully and looks lovely. Enjoy wearing it.

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