I am working a pattern fleurette lace which is multiples of 6 plus 5 (14 rows)followed by a horseshoe and lace pattern which is multiple of 24 plus 11 (16 rows). the specific row I am working is a decreasing row row 5 in the fleurette pattern.
The repetition is k1, yo, ssk, k1 k2tog, yo
The instructions say: work pattern row 5 and remove first marker work to 2nd marker ending in k2 before marker, sl marker, ssk, work 7 stitches at center of the chart, k2tog, sl marker, work row 5 to the end, remove 4tH marker
I’m confused because the pattern is multiples of 6.
Row 5 may be a break from the multiple of 6+5 depending on the size you’re making. Can you quote the entire row including the 7sts at the center of the chart or is it just too long? Where are you in the pattern (back, fronts?) Do the stitches not add up in row 5 or is it the break from the repeat that’s causing problems?
There is a corrections listed online for the size directions after the cast on for the back http://www.vogueknitting.com/pattern_help/corrections/spring_summer_2007.aspx
Hi - thank you for responding. I am working on the back.
The markers section off a section with 15 stitches (middle of the back) as per the previous pattern schematic (horseshoe and lace) which totals 16 rows. Now I am trying to shape the waste with the fleurette pattern which is in multiples of 6. Row 1&3 are knit; rows 2&4 are purl. On each knit row I decrease one stitch at either end of the 15 stitch section. this leaves me with 11 stitches. I knit row 5 as per the instructions until I get to this section. It then effectively instructs me to decrease another 2 stitches at each end of the section — and that leaves me with 7 stitches in the middle. My confusion stems from the fact that the pattern is in multiples of 6 stitches.
I am happy to send the pattern to you but the pdf file exceeds the attachment size allowable by the forum — any thoughts? .
does this help clarify anything for you — I am afraid I remain very confused.
Ok, this Ravelry project shows the back pattern more clearly. http://www.ravelry.com/projects/Lorelei132/10-lace-cardigan
In the first picture, you can see that there’s a break in the fleurette pattern at the center back.
I don’t know why the directions put in the mysterious reference to “7sts at the center of the chart” when they write out the directions for the following rows, but I believe thay are referring to the rightmost section of the Size Small Horseshoe & Lace Pattern Chart (9sts in that section). They want you to do row 5, the center 7 sts which are:
k1, yo, k1, S2KP, k1, yo, k1.
The directions for the next dec row seem to follow that pattern and begin to look like the center motif in that back row.
One last question - what you say intuitively makes sense except the center stitches number 6…k1, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo… This is 7 parts equaling 6 stitches leaving me with an extra stitch before k2tog.
Your directions suggest S2KP but that comes into play in row 9.
Sorry to bother you…but am very appreciative. Thanks,
It’s no bother. The center sts from the fleurette pattern are indeed
k1, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo… but that’s not what you want to follow here.
You want to work the center back sts from the chart (7sts) which are part of the horseshoe pattern:
[U]k1, yo, k1, S2KP, k1, yo, k1[/U]
So the sts between the markers are then: ssk, [U]k1, yo, k1, S2KP, k1, yo, k1[/U], k2tog
To me it looks like these sts are substituted for just the single center back fleurette motif. It’s a shortened horseshoe in place of that one fleurette.
If you look at the next row in the instructions it’s:
Dec row Work pat row 7 (i.e. the fleurette pattern) to marker, ssk, k1, yo, k3, yo, k1, k2tog. Thats not row 7 of the fleurette. That’s narrowing in the horseshoe.
Try it on a swatch to see how it works and whether that’s what you want to do.
I was under the understanding in this pattern that the 30 row pattern repeat is 14 rows fleurette lace followed by 16 rows horseshoe and lace. The waist shaping begins the second pattern repeat starting with the fleurette lace. So if I follow it-starting with 11 stitches
Ssk, k1, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo, k2tog
I am left with 10 stitches not 9.
Again, I’m sorry for any inconvenience with regard to all my questions.
Tis pattern is driving me crazy though I have to persevere because my sister picked it out… Assuming i can pose the question assuming knowledge of the chain below… Still working on the first row of the waist post decrease. I am left with 34 stitches…11 stitches…34 stitches. I understand what to do with the middle 11 stitches… But am confused bout the send 34 stitches… The fleurette pattern is multiples of 6 plus 5. K2 *k1, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo repeat from *to last 3 end k3.
Instructions: work row 34 stitches to the last 2 stitches k2…work the center and then work pattern to the end. Do I start from th e beginning k2* k1, yo etc…
I know how frustrating this can be and I think we’ve all been in your place. I certainly have
Yes, work the fleurette pattern from the beginning
K2 *k1, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo repeat from * [I]here end k2[/I]
but with the change in italics. You’ll have the 6 stitch repeat 5 times (30sts) plus the k2 to begin the row and the k2 to end this section (total 34sts). Then deal with the middle 11 sts as suggested in the previous post (#9) and work the final 34sts as
K2 *k1, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo repeat from * [I]here end k2[/I]
The next decrease in fleurette is k4, *yo, k3. Repeat. The first 34 work we’ll… Then I do the the 9 in horseshoe as described. Now I have the 34 stitches…do I star with the yo, k1 ending with k4 or do I start from the beginning k4, yo, k3
Hoping this will be the last time I bother you!! Many thank so much!!!
It looks to me like it should be
k4, *yo, k3. Repeat from * (without the final k1)
The first 34 work that way and so do the last 34sts, both starting out with the k4.
You can check and make sure that the fleurette pattern is forming correctlym just to be sure.
It’s no bother at all. I’m excited to see this gorgeous (but complicated) pattern coming along and look forward to seeing the finished work of art.
I may be over thinking this but on the second group of 34 stitches, why wouldnt i just continue the pattern from the * vs. the first couple stitches to the left of * ( k2, k2tog) … If I did this I would be repeating the multiples of 6 leaving 2 stitches at the end… If I start out as I was beginning the row k2, k2tog, * yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo , s2kp, to last 9 stitches… Leaves me with 1 at the end?
If the decrease wasn’t in the middle I would be just repeating the *
Promise this is my last question of the evening. Really really appreciate this. Vogue patterns are tough to read and your assistance is invaluable!!!
So this is now row 9 of the fleurette? In order for the fleurette to line up correctly, all the rows need to start at the same place. The way to check this is that the fleurettes do line up. If they’re off a stitch, then the beginning of the sets of 34sts was incorrect. Since the pattern is for 6 + 5 and you have a multiple of 6 + 4, you have to leave off a stitch at the beginning or at the end. The pattern wants the stitch left off at the end. That’s why the directions say “…ending k2” for row 5, size small (Waist shaping, line 6).
The 34st pattern is:
Row 5 k2 *k1, yo, ssk,k1,k2tog, yo rep from *to the last 2sts ending k2 (not k3).
Row 7 k4, *yo, k3. Repeat from * (without the final k1)
Row 9 k2, k2tog, *yo, ssk,k1, k2tog, yo, S2KP, rep from * to last 8 sts, end, yo, ssk, k1, k2tog, yo, ssk, k1 (instead of k2).
