# MORE help needed! Sighh

"Shoulder shaping (using short rows)
Row 1 (WS): yif, sl2, purl to 5 sts from end, move last 5 sts to holder, turn work.
Row 2 (RS): yib, sl1, k10, *{pattern}; repeat *to 10 sts from end, k5, move last 5 sts to holder, turn work.
Row 3: yif, sl1, purl to last 5 sts, move 5 sts to holder, turn."
and so on, to row 26: in other words, I’m being instructed to put sts on holder virtually every row.
Whilst I can easily understand why this is so, what I can’t grasp is whether this means I need 26 holders sprouting from my work, or if I’m swapping sts.
At times like this my brain simply shuts down: I can’t begin to THINK!
:wall:

Short rows: Blessing or curse?

You should be able to leave the unworked stitches on your circular needle - based on the assumption that after you work all the short rows you’ll go back a pick up all those stitches. Typically with short rows, that’s what’s done. Are you familiar with short rows at all?

Nup.

It would appear that I am actually [I]familiar [/I]with plain, purl, casting off, casting off, knitting 2 together and that’s about it.
I shall now look up “short rows”, GG, for obviously that is another TERM with which I ought be familiar.
Thanks, as always!

I watched the short rows with wrap video (I do find it difficult to take in everything in these videos because of the way the person actually knits).
Does one always need to wrap?
If I’m shaping shoulders and going to and fro like that, I suppose I do.
Jesus.
This is going to take me forever.

What luck! I’d just run down this video, SWEATER FINISHING 101-Part 3 for the Tank of Many Colors thread. She shows short rows on the sleeve but the principle is the same. I’m not having luck so far finding the shaping of an armhole video but you’re smart, you know what works for the sleeve can work for the armhole. Be sure to ask about any hitches. I’m learning a lot about short rows for armholes and sleeves that I plan to use on my next sweater project.

YETH!
And she knits almost the same way as I do!
Dunno how you found that one, GG: I found lots, but they all knit in that sort of crochet fashion, and I find it really off-putting when I’m trying to follow the knitter’s directions.
I’m not even going to MENTION (well, that’s a lie!) the casting off - sorry, the binding off - at this point: that can wait until I need it. Can’t possibly take in more than one new thing at a time.
:-
The Grumpy One RULES! :cheering:

Uh, for underarms you might want to stick with CO and skip the BO. :roflhard:

I found that series of videos a long time ago. I’ve watched them all, will refer back to them sometimes. Hey! I knit Continental style, that weird sort of crochet fashion. Hmph. Works for me. Whatever gets the stitches on the needle and then off at the appropriate time is the right way to knit. At first I found the English style videos a little hard to follow because I was distracted by the knitting style. Not so much anymore.

I find it more than slightly irritating, in this pattern, to be told to knit “short rows” while at the same time the directions have me putting 5 sts at each end of each row onto holders, such that I’m left with 64 sts, that will be joined onto the other side …
I don’t mean I’m [I]doing [/I]that, she said hastily: I’m simply wrapping and turning, and have all sts on the (circ) needle.
I just wanted to whinge, that’s all.
:nails:

I just saw your question (remark?) about short rows W&T. I don’t do W&T, I do German Short Rows. There are other ways. Jan posted a video link in another thread for sock heels that shows a different way. Can I find it again? … Yes, I saved it to my blog thread: A short row method to try. I find the W&T method shows more when finished.
Short rows worked English.

Your most recent post reminds me of an episode of MAS*H, in which Hawkeye and Trapper are trying to disarm a bomb.
Henry is at a safe distance from them, reading aloud from instructions regarding the best way to do this.
As they near the most dangerous part, Henry’s voice can be heard saying (something like) “Once you can see a red wire and a yellow wire, cut the yellow wire”.
Hawkeye, sweating greatly, cuts it.
Henry continues: "But [I]first[/I], make sure they are both twisted around the lever on the left …"
The bomb goes off. Happily, it is filled with propaganda leaflets.

Do you get my point?

That reminds me of the infamous AT THE SAME TIME directions in knitting patterns. So many times early on I had to undo work because I just followed the next step without noticing the large, glaring AT THE SAME TIME admonition.

Maybe the reason the pattern says to use a stitch holder is the number of stitches involved before you’re done. It could be awkward to have them all hanging onto the working needle as you continue. I guess it it gets cumbersome enough you could move the stitches in waiting to waste yarn. [I]And at the same time[/I]…yeah, I need one hand, eye, and half of my brain to keep track of one set of instructions and the other hand, eye, and half of my brain to keep track of the other. It’s hard since I don’t have half a brain. Don’t forget, red before yellow will kill a fellow. You do have poisonous snakes in Aussieland?

Do we have poisonous snakes? - my dear, we have DE MOST POISONOUS SNAKES IN DE WOILD! (she said, proudly), and, I believe, more of 'em. In fact, it’s a frequently-wondered-about thing: why is Oz thus blessed? ask all the naturalists. No-one has thus far managed to come up with an answer.
I didn’t know about red before yellow, etc., but. Which end is ‘before’? <grin>

I shall continue with my wrap and turn, because I’ve already done several rows that way. And anyway, I honestly don’t think it’s going to be an issue with this extraordinary garment, them little things that can be seen if you peer closely enough …

Oh, and Ingrid? - this pattern includes two of those: it’s obvious Julie Hoover wants to keep me on my toes from beginning to end.

"Rounds 5–20: Work rounds 1–4 four more times.
On the final repeat, knit round 4 as follows {…}"
I had 232 sts to un-knit in order to be able to m1r at the beginning of round 4.
Served me right.
And you may be sure I then went through the next two pages of pattern with a yellow highlighter at the ready.
:oops:

Next time, cheat! http://www.knittinghelp.com/video/play/adding-a-stitch-several-rows-back In the video she adds a yo but get creative and figure out how to make something that will work for your missed inc. For a M1, I think picking up the bar, twisting it and making a stitch through that would work.

Oh, good GRIEF!
I could no more do that than fly through the air. I simply don’t have the necessary calm and patience.
Yes, that’s the problem at the heart of everything, for me: I’m an impatient bugger.
But the real problem is that I’m completely impractical, and I take instructions absolutely literally. I’ve lost all ability to think outside any box - if I ever had it … dunno …
So unless something is completely relevant to my problem, I’m unable to utilise it.