Important question!

Here’s something I wouldn’t do: knit up 6 sweaters, using the same design, 1 in each size, then try to sell them in my Ebay or Etsy shop! THAT would definitely bring trouble my way!

But, it’s quite different if a person brings me her printed pattern and some yarn, and pays me to knit it up.

All the designer wants is her $7 for the pattern. It’s really none of her business who does the knitting, and she could care less as long as she was paid for the pattern for THAT sweater.

What really chaps her hide is if I were to buy the pattern one time, and knit it 10 times for “customers”.

Another thing that’s outright theft is when one person in the knitting club buys the pattern one time, and prints it up for all 30 club members for a knitalong, or worse than printing it up 30 times, attaching it to an email for all 30 club members! This enables them to mass mail it to their own 30 friends and family! The designer could potentially lose minimally $210 if I print the pattern for my 30 club members, but if I attach the pdf in an email to all 30, and they do the same, the designer could minimally lose $6510 in lost pdf fees at $7 each.

Never ever “give” a friend a copyrighted pdf pattern. Make her pay her own $7.

No, copyright just covers the writing and photographs, not the finished item. Many people put a disclaimer in their copyright notices that items made from their pattern can not be sold for profit, but it’s not legally enforceable.

See, I’ve knit so many things that I could have ended up selling because it didn’t work out for the person I was knitting it for. I just ended up giving stuff away because I didn’t think I could sell it because I didn’t write the pattern myself.

So if I purchase a pattern, I can knit it and then sell the item? And that could go for free patterns as well? As long as I don’t claim that it’s my own pattern?

Pretty much, if you’re in the US. The UK, Australia and maybe canada have different laws that cover the design of the item that go beyond the written pattern.

Beware of Australian designs. Copyright laws in Australia are different to those in other countries. Due to treaties with most international countries our copyright laws cover our designers internationally so beware of selling a fo from an Aussie desingners pattern, seek their permission first, or use your common sense and take the advice of previous posts in this thread by Artlady.

The design side of the law can get a little messy but knitted work is generally not seen as ‘functional’ under the Australian copyright laws and therefor if you reproduce an Australian pattern to sell commercially you need the express permission of the designer. If a designer has published their pattern on a website, magazine or other publication and does not clearly state you cannot reproduce their item for personal use you have the implied permission to go ahead and make the item. If you wish to lend that pattern to a friend to use you are also covered, sharing a purchased pattern, (not photocopied) is fine and not an infringment of copyright law. A designers copyright is in place upto 70 years after they have died.

Now heres the fun bit, I got all of this info from the linked website at the bottom of this post.

Using ideas, information, techniques and methods:

Copyright does not protect ideas or information. Nor does it protect styles or techniques or methods. Copyright protects the way in which an idea or concept is expressed – for example, as a
drawing, or a piece of writing. Therefore, if you are simply using someone elseʼs idea, information, technique or method to create a garment, you will not be infringing copyright. For example, the original idea of making a swimming costume in two pieces was not protected, but it is likely that the first bikini and the pattern for that bikini were protected as artistic works. Also, while a particular pattern for flared pants may be protected, the general idea of pants being flared is not.

If you were however to change a pattern by someone and try to resell it as your own creation and you lay your FO next to the FO of the designer and you had difficulty finding a diffence in design you would be infringing their copyright.

I have noticed there are a few articles on the net saying its fine to sell a reproduction as long as you mention the designers name but that goes against everything I have learned so far. I will be looking deeper in the the ‘design’ side of it, some items are considered artistic even though they are functional and this is where it can get very confusing.

http://www.copyright.org.au/find-an-answer/browse-by-what-you-do/craftworkers/

And actually, the Australian designer wouldn’t be able to make a case in the US because we don’t have the same design protection. If they were even able to find out you made some dishcloths and sold them…

From what I have read suzeeq, due to the treaties we have in place this includes more recent free trade agreements.

Taken from the Australian Copyright Council Information Sheet G021v10 Hobby crafts and copyright

“Most foreign copyright owners are protected in Australia, and Australian copyright owners are protected in most
other countries because of international treaties such as the Berne Convention.”

Theres a small page of info on that here

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright_IsAustraliancopyrightmaterialprotectedoverseas

Ahhh the Berne Convention, yes.

However, how many Aus designers are going to track down patterns sold to US knitters and determine whether the items made from the patterns are being sold? One can respect their wishes, but it’s still going to be hard to determine if their IP is being infringed on.

Lol, I agree Suzeeq, I guess its just a matter of using your common sense really, but after hearing about ArtLadys problems I guess it was worth mentioning. We Aussies frequent alot of Amercian sites because our own sites are just not busy enough, its more of a knitter beware thing. Thankfully most Aussies are pretty easy going, if you asked in the right way, offered to advertise their work and werent mass producing, ie just selling at a local market stall I dont think there would be many negative answers.

I was asked to teach a sweater class using a free pattern available at Naturally Caron. The sweater is also in the Ravelry pattern database, but it links to the Naturally Caron website for the pattern download.

So the LYS owner asked me to get permission from the designer, or the Naturally Caron website, for us to use the free pattern for the class. The LYS owner told me she had already run into hot water on previous classes that she had taught using other ‘free patterns’.

So I contacted the designer via Ravelry, and the Naturally Caron’s Twitter page. Never did hear a peep from the Naturally Caron people.

But I did receive a message back from the designer. She said we could use the pattern for our class, but please direct each student to the Naturally Caron website to print their own free pattern. In other words, I was not to print out 6 patterns and distribute them myself.

BTW: this class was to have been advertised on the shop’s website, the shop’s Ravelry Group, the shop’s Facebook page, and the shop’s Twitter feed. [U] It would surely have come to the attention of the designer, or the Naturally Caron people, sooner or later[/U]. I was glad that we got full permission from the designer. No hassles, no worries, later on. :wink:

So we were given permission IF we directed each student to visit the website and download their own copy. Of course the reason for this is so that the [U]student is exposed to the website advertising[/U]. Naturally Caron sells yarn, and free patterns for that yarn. The sale of yarn is what really pays for the “free” pattern. But we all know, nothing in life is really free. The Naturally Caron people no doubt paid the designer for her pattern. Then they hope to recoup that expense by selling yarn to people who visit their website for the “free” pattern.

There’s a[U] very interesting thread[/U] over at the Ravelry “Copyright Matters” Group!

The thread isn’t too lengthy, and the posts are great!

Everyone needs to read it! It is funny, and informational!

It shows that more nutty people exist besides my stalker designer! :roflhard:

CLICK HERE

I get involved in a bunch of them just on the main Patterns forum. Some of the same people also post on both, so that’s where I’ve learned my Copyright law… :wink:

Its unbeleafable how far people will go to monopolise on an idea :teehee: