I have had my eye on this sweater for a while. I want to make it but I am so confused by the size and construction, I think I’m missing something. I am currently making a sweater without a pattern and feel like I know what size I am making each section, but then I remembered this sweater and now I am questioning my own sweater design because obviously I’m not a knitwear designer, I just make things up.
I saw a tutorial on saddle shoulders (I think it was Rox) and understand from this that the construction can be set in sleeve, modified drop, or drop shoulder, any of these with the saddle.
Reading the above pattern sleeve instruction it sounds like a set in sleeve shape with saddle shoulder (is it? Or am i wrong?) but I thought a set in sleeve had the armscye/sleeve seam quite fitted, with the seam right on the tip of the shoulder (no seam right at the top with saddle shoulder but it would be the place where the angle of fabric changed to go over the shoulder). When I look at the picture of this sweater the sleeve seam is quite far down the arm more like a drop shoulder. I don’t understand how it is so far down the arm.
What am I missing?
If I made this sweater in the smallest size 49cm across the body, the sleeve cap shaping narrows the body to 40cm across the shoulders. If the body narrows to 40cm how is the sleeve seam dropping down the arm? I don’t understand this.
Also my shoulders are 41cm which means the shoulders on this size would cut in rather than sit on the shoulder tip or drop down the arm. I don’t think my shoulders are an odd shape, but maybe. I wouldn’t want the sleeves to cut in.
Here’s the schematic
The sweater seems to fit with a drop sleeve in the photos and in a few Ravelry projects but we don’t know the size of the model or the size that she is wearing. In that sense the photos can be less informative than you might wish.
Is the weight of the yarn pulling down on the sleeve and causing the drop?
Taking the weight of the sleeve into consideration it seems that the 40cm at the top is going to help out in avoiding that drop in the shoulder seam.
It’s a very pretty design with lots of intricate cablework.
Good point about the weight of the yarn pulling down, I hadn’t thought of that.
It’s nice when they tell you the size of the model AND how much ease there is. I’m guessing she’s in a size or two larger to get that much drop in the shoulder.
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Yes I suppose she must be in a larger size, it’s just that it’s a very big drop but the body doesn’t look all that wide on the model. Some oversized sweaters look really big in the body, but this one looks comfortable rather than huge, and then the drop in the shoulder looks really big to me. If i made this to a size where the shoulder dropped like that it would be way too big in the body. Im confused about the number of cm used in the cap too, the schematic says 10cm but shoulders of 40 plus 2 sleeve caps of 10 would equal 60cm, not 49cm. Also the saddle as 13cm, 2 of those is 26cm leaving only 14 cm for the neck and that’s not even accounting for the neckband. I just can’t work it out
I’ve seen this in the men’s version and the sleeve looks definitely set in, right under the arm pit. The shoulder measurement is wider on the men’s
Feel like I’d never be able to work out what size to make.
Wow, they hardly look like the same pattern, in terms of the shoulders! Could you do the men’s version, or would it be too big overall? The neckline is much closer than the women’s pattern, which again suggests that she’s in an oversized one. It looks like it’s about 2"/5cm away from her neck, whereas his comes to the base of the neck.
Looking at the schematics, the main difference in measurements is that the men’s tapers to have narrower hips. If you worked it straight down, as the women’s, would that work? It’s even got longer sleeves… The men’s actually lists a slightly smaller size, oddly enough.
So odd that the fit is so different in the 2 photos. Is Drops responsive to questions? I’d be asking about this. Maybe they could tell you how much ease is in the 2 photos.
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Yes, they are quite different on the models!
The men’s comes up in a search for men and for children aged up to 14 years which is why there is a smaller size. It’s funny though the women’s doesn’t have a smaller size.
There are a few differences between the patterns, the saddle is wider on the men’s for all sizes, even for the size that is smaller than the women’s. I think overall I probably could go for the mens, the second size might work. At least I feel like I understand the measurements more easily to be able to modify a bit.
Drops are responsive to questions, I have posted one. Thanks for the suggestion as I wouldn’t have known what to even ask without your suggestion.
Edited to add, there are quite a few examples on ravelry, one or two didn’t like the size but to me the sizes do now make sense with the pictures and the pattern schematic.
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