Decrease - Help needed

[KathyNS]

Hi, would someone help me to clear the mystery on this part of the pattern

It says,
At 39cm from beginning of work, start decreasing at both sides, after and before the first/last 2 stitches.

Here goes the mystery part:

• 1 stitch every two rows once and 1 stitch each row twice *

Actually, it’s in Italian (1 p. ogni 2 ferri per 1 volta e 1 p. a ogni ferro per 2 volte)
Repeat from * to * 9 times.

In order to decrease 1 stitch on the RS, at the beginning of the row work 1 slip, 1 knit, slip stitch over, and at the end of the row work knit2tog.
In order to decrease 1 stitch on the WS, at the beginning of the row work purl2tog, and at the end of the row work purl2tog through the back loop.

Thank you in advance.

[suzeeq]

Yes those decs would work. On the WS for the end of the row though you could do ssp instead of p2tog tbl, that way the sts won’t look twisted on the RS.

[MerigoldinWA]

Does it tell you how many stitches you should have when you finish that series of decreases? That might help us know what they are asking you to do. How many sts do you start with?

It says,
At 39cm from beginning of work, start decreasing at both sides, after and before the first/last 2 stitches.

That sounds like you are to decrease at each end on the same row. But…

• 1 stitch every two rows once and 1 stitch each row twice *
  that sounds more like maybe not. :?? It may mean to dec 1 st at each end every two rows once and 1 stitch at each end every row twice. If it makes sense with the number of stitches you should have.

[KathyNS]

Yes those decs would work. On the WS for the end of the row though you could do ssp instead of p2tog tbl, that way the sts won’t look twisted on the RS.

Yeah, that’s what I thought also. Thank you

[KathyNS]

Does it tell you how many stitches you should have when you finish that series of increases? That might help us know what they are asking you to do. How many sts do you start with?

That sounds like you are to decrease at each end on the same row. But… that sounds more like maybe not. :?? It may mean to dec 1 st at each end every two rows once and 1 stitch at each end every row twice. If it makes sense with the number of stitches you should have.

Yes, that’s what confuses me, too. It says that I have to decrease on the both sides of the row, and then in the repeating part it says decrease 1 stitch?!

And later, it explains “how to decrease 1 stitch”, which is actually decreasing on both sides… That would decrease two stitches.

As for the number of stitches, I start with 82 stitches.

This is the ending part (rough translation).
“At the same time with the 30° of the raglan (about 54 cm lenght), cast off the 14 stitches in the middle for the neckline and continue separately, casting off at the sides of the neckline, each 2 rows, 5 stitches and 4 stitches.
Finish the opposite side in the same way but in the opposite direction.”

[suzeeq]

The ‘1 stitch every two rows’ is referring back to ‘decreasing at both sides’. So it means ‘dec 1 st at both sides every two rows’.

[KathyNS]

The ‘1 stitch every two rows’ is referring back to ‘decreasing at both sides’. So it means ‘dec 1 st at both sides every two rows’.

Okay, and what about the second part, “1 stitch each row 2 times”?

Does it maybe means that I’m decreasing 2 stitches on the RS (1 stitch on both sides), and 2 stitches on the WS (again 1 stitch on both sides)?

Or maybe I’m decreasing 1 stitch at the both sides every two rows (make it the RS), and on WS I’m decreasing 2 stitches on both sides (which makes 4 decreased stitches).

[MerigoldinWA]

Is this the back of a raglan sweater (or could be the front if it is a pullover)? If so it makes better sense that the decreases would be on both sides all the time. Like I said above–It may mean to dec 1 st at each end every two rows once and 1 stitch at each end every row twice.

In other words decrease at each end every other row one time and then at each end every row 2 times and keep repeating that sequence 9 times. I’m not sure how that works out when you try to actually do it. Try rows where you dec (always on each end), even, dec, dec, even, dec, dec, even, etc. Or? :think: I don’t know how else to try to get what they say.

[KathyNS]

Is this the back of a raglan sweater (or could be the front if it is a pullover)? If so it makes better sense that the decreases would be on both sides all the time. Like I said above–It may mean to dec 1 st at each end every two rows once and 1 stitch at each end every row twice.

In other words decrease at each end every other row one time and then at each end every row 2 times and keep repeating that sequence 9 times. I’m not sure how that works out when you try to actually do it. Try rows where you dec (always on each end), even, dec, dec, even, dec, dec, even, etc. Or? :think: I don’t know how else to try to get what they say.

Yes, I believe the decrease is on both sides since it’s front of a poncho. I’ve uploaded the scheme, if it will be easier to solve this.
The confusing part begins from 39th cm from beginning of work (the left scheme).

I don’t know, I’ll try to solve this by number of stitches, but then again, I don’t know what means the 5 sts and 4 sts at the end on both sides.
Do I bind off 5 or 4 sts?

E una misteria

[suzeeq]

what about the second part, “1 stitch each row 2 times”?

It still refers back to ‘dec both ends’ so you would dec on both the RS and WS. In this pattern ‘side’ means the left and right edge, not WS/RS.

[MerigoldinWA]

Yes, I think it has to be decreased evenly on each side.

The:

“At the same time with the 30° of the raglan (about 54 cm lenght), cast off the 14 stitches in the middle for the neckline and continue separately, casting off at the sides of the neckline, each 2 rows, 5 stitches and 4 stitches.
Finish the opposite side in the same way but in the opposite direction.”

You have completed the raglan shaping and now you are to where the “U” of the neckline is. Cast off 14 stitches in the middle and then work the two sides one at a time. On one side the cast offs will be at the beginning of a RS row on the other side at the beginning of a WS row. Cast off on the edge of the neckline “U” every other row twice. The first time cast off 5 stitches work to the end, turn work back, then cast off 4 sts. I think you will be out of stitches then. Do the other side the same way but begin on the opposite side you did on the first neck edge.

What a challenge. This looks like a very interesting pattern. But I don’t know any Italian. I hope it all works out for you. Are you on Ravelry? There are groups on there that help people with translating patterns.

[KathyNS]

Yeah, it’s quite a challenge, but I’m sure it will pay off at the end

Anyway, thanks both of you, some things are much clearer to me, but I still need to try to see how it goes

Yep, I’m on Ravelry, and the girls helped me a lot, but it would be embarassing for me if I said that I don’t understand it on English either

[KathyNS]

Okay, I’m stuck again

I went through it again, so maybe they meant this.

For the part which says:

• 1 stitch every two rows once and 1 stitch each row twice *
  Repeat from * to * 9 times.

I should do this:
1 row (RS) decrease
1 row (WS) even
1 row (RS) decrease
1 row (WS) decrease

And I repeat this part 9 times, right?

[suzeeq]

I think that sounds right. Give it a go and see if it works out.

[MerigoldinWA]

I agree, it sounds like a good thing to try.