I started a 2-needle doily with first row reading: sl 1, k15 (k2tog, yo twice) twice, p2tog, k1, yo, k2. After the 2nd row I should end up with 2 sts unworked, but I end up with 1. Don’t know why I’m missing a st. Also, on the 2nd row, do I drop the 2nd yo when I come to it? I’d appreciate any help.

# Confusing double yarnovers!

If there’s no instructions to drop the double yo, you k p into it or p and ptbl or p k or something. A YO, single or double, doesn’t include knitting the next stitch.

I started a 2-needle doily with first row reading: sl 1, k15 (k2tog, yo twice) twice, p2tog, k1, yo, k2. After the 2nd row I should end up with 2 sts unworked, but I end up with 1. Don’t know why I’m missing a st.

How many stitches do you cast on? Is that the total instruction for row one? Those directions account for 25 stitches, is that the cast on? Why should you end up with 2 sts unworked after you work the 2nd row, usually they have you work a whole row, what are you supposed to do with the 2 sts?

I did cast on 25 sts for a 6-inch doily. Row 2 says: k4, yo twice, p2tog, k2, pl, k15, turn, leaving 2 sts unworked. Every even row has sts that are unworked. There aren’t any indepth instructions on the way to do yos.

No, the instructions don’t say so I’ll try k p into again and let you know what happens.

It doesn’t work out either way. If you work the double yarn overs as 2 stitches knitting into the back loop as needed, you come out with 3 stitches at the end. If you just knit into each double loop once and let the other one fall off you come out with 1 at the end. At least that is what happened when I did it. :??

If you work the double yarn overs as 2 stitches knitting into the back loop as needed, you come out with 3 stitches at the end. If you just knit into each double loop once and let the other one fall off you come out with 1 at the end.

Huh…? No. If you work a double YO (2 loops) by purl in one loop and a knit [I]or[/I] ptbl in the other loop, you only get 2 sts.

Now if you do try to purl into each loop, you end up with a big hole and one stitch. That’s why you make one of the sts different.

:lol: What we have here is a failure to communicate.

If you work the double yarn overs as 2 stitches knitting into the back loop as needed, you come out with 3 stitches at the end. If you just knit into each double loop once and let the other one fall off you come out with 1 at the end.

What I meant was when I worked the whole row the two different ways. The first being to work each loop of the double yarn over as a stitch (and working into the back of the second one). When I did that I ended up with 3 extra stitches at the end of the row. The second way I tried was just to work the first of the double yarn over loops and let the other one fall off and when I did that I ended up with 1 stitch at the end of the row.

I thought I was being clear (made sense to me ) but I see I wasn’t. Thanks Sue for making me rewrite that. :oops:

I still don’t see how you get 3 sts out of the double YO when you work the 2 loops as separate stitches…

I still don’t see how you get 3 sts out of the double YO when you work the 2 loops as separate stitches…

You don’t get 3 sts out of the double yarn over (DYO). What I’m trying to say is that when I worked the YO loops as 2 separate stitches that when I completed the whole row of directions I had 3 stitches left over at the end of the row.

I just checked myself by doing it all again two different ways. I cast on 25, and worked row 1 as she gave in the OP: “sl 1, k15 (k2tog, yo twice) twice, p2tog, k1, yo, k2”. When you finish that row you have 27 stitches (counting each DYO as 2 sts).

Then I worked row 2 as she gave it in her post of 11:49: “Row 2 says: k4, yo twice, p2tog, k2, pl, k15, turn, leaving 2 sts unworked.” When I worked it the first time I did both loops of the DYO as a separate stitch following those directions. The way it works out on row 2 is the the first P2tog takes in the first of the DYO loops, and the second loop would be a k, so I ktbl. At the second DYO you fall on the p1, k15, so I purled the first loop and k the other tbl. When I completed that whole row that way I had 3 stitches at the end unworked. That makes sense because I started with 27 and row 2 only gives directions for 24 sts. A difference of 3.

Okay, then I took that out and worked it the other way. After row 1 I have 27, then work row 2 by treating the DYO as 1 st and letting the second loop slip off the needles. Done that way the first DYO falls as it did the first time, so I took the first loop and purled it with the st before it, and just let the second loop fall off. The 2nd DYO falls on a k st, so I just k the first loop and let the 2nd 1 fall off. Work on across and the result is at the end of the row I have 1 st unworked.

So neither way works as the pattern indicates. It says when you work row 2 as given that you will end up with 2 stitches unworked. Not my result, one way gives 3 the other 1 at the end of the row that are not worked. So I don’t know what they mean for you to do, or if there is a mistake. :shrug:

I must be a little crazy to spend this much time working on this and talking about it, but hey, it’s fun.

Well, I appreciate all the time you and Suzeeq spent on this, I thought it was just me making a mistake.

Well I had to go to work this morning so didn’t have the time to spend on it. I see what you mean now.