I have a winder, no swift. I do the lampshade method. If you opt to go that route, just make sure your yarn unwinds counterclockwise. Otherwise the clockwise motion may cause the finial to tighten and the shade will jerk to a halt. If ccw, it'll spin continuously and can really pick up speed. I set my endtable lamp on the floor adjacent to the winder and can do a good-size skein in a few mins.