Hey Conti -just for my own edification - a simple YO will leave a hole, right? Like an eyelet? A M1 will not make a hole, right? :think:
And dlgil - I'm not well-versed in all the MANY versions of casting-on (or off), but I'm pretty sure that a long-tailed cast-on will count as the first knitted row, but others may not.
Need more experienced input on the cast-on question! I'd like to know too - thanks!